of course it is. thats a no-brainer. the most important thing for you is to not have your knowledge swayed by the 4 or 5 poker site promoters that will post their off the wall comments to what you have just outlined.

Well, it was just too tempting, especially with that little riggie sidekick of yours that tagged along who is still clinging to the flawed beliefs you instilled in him. That guy continues to build paranoid layers onto the foundation you helped create for him - now it's some sort of multi room/country conspiracy. Good job!

You may have been a tad unrealistic if you expected a nice calm rational debate among scholars in between all of us sipping at the brandy in our snifters while participating in a 27,000 post long paranoid drenched riggie thread.

If your issue is not a riggie issue and you are so startled then start a new thread on the topic and also contact PTR to ask why their data does not add up and then post the results of your research (actually do that before you write a thread so you at least can show you tried to prove something for a change).

Regarding getting drawn into a debate you did not expect and getting frustrated by the lack of respect - welcome to the riggie thread ma'am.

Probably not.

There is a vast number of hands available and not the vaguest hint of any evidence that 'fixing' is taking place.

Hope that helps.

OK, cool!

Now if you'll just post your evidence we'll get right on to propagating to the world and it's dog so the guilty party's site goes straight down the pan.

All signs point to no. Honestly you're probably just too blindly aggressive for the stakes you play...have you been posting hand histories?

Player wins $4 an hour live, somehow can't beat online games.

More at 11.

Wiki
You say there is no evidence of rigging - I have posted evidence of how they scam winning players by altering the odds of hands when All In Pre Flop - 15% down on expected average results over 1618 hands -
TOTAL ALL INS Exp. Win Actual % Down
1618 66% + 486 365.79 307 16.07%
50-65% 455 253.69 206 18.80%
41-49% 239 112.33 107 4.74%
39% - 426 120.66 106 12.15%


852.47 726 14.84%

Where are your figures -
show me
where are these hands?
Irrational statements with no factual basis mean nothing and carry no weight

There is some analysis done here: http://www.spadebidder.com/

I admire you are trying but these stats do not make much sense. Are they the total chips won or lost in all ins? That stat will be meaningless as you win or lose a ton more chips deep in a tournament with bigger blinds then you do early on.

Break down your all ins as a percentage won at various different equity levels regardless of stack size and that will give you a better idea of if you have been lucky or unlucky.

This way you will show something like the following

66%+ 180 all ins 121 won expected won 127 (this will be an average of all the all ins with their equities for each)


Spadebidder did something like this with an immense number of hands and showed everything was fine. You will likely discover the same thing once you do a proper analysis. Your data does not actually tell you what you think it says, because it uses total chips won and lost which is too weighted for bigger blind hands.

Pretty funny from a guy who just posts numbers.

otatop
I have my hands in a Pokertracker database you are welcome to go through all of them too if you want - there is only 100,000 odd - each hand individually recorded after play
I have to do it hand by hand because Poketracker can't search for Pre Flop All Ins which if I was a paranoid person I could point it is a really strange thing not to be able to search for....
My sample is still only smalll - but it is still the only sample posted here..
At the moment the only 'hard' evidence posted says they are thieves and robbers - really really sneaky theives and robbers yes - but crooked al the same

Seriously, why so you think the site wants you to lose? You imply they are stealing from specifically you, but why you?

Your data is weird and not what you actually need to prove what you want to know. The total chips won and lost mean nothing.

You win a 4 million pot with AA vs KK

You lose 100 pots of 1,000 chips each with AA vs KK


Overall you would be 1-100 with AA vs KK but you would be up a ton of chips.


Until you do your analysis correctly all you have left is a bizarre paranoid belief that you are being the target of something for your $10.

Offer to pay someone to do a proper analysis for you and then you will have takers. They will likely show that your results are within expectation and then you can figure out a way to reject their results at that time to rationalize your losing at poker.

Maybe buy Holdem Manager if this mess is the result of many months of trying to work with Poker Tracker. You can even download the free trial version and import the hands and look at the green vs red line to at least give you a better idea of your "luck."

Monteroy, curious as to how much you are paid by whatever poker site you work for to post these inane comebacks?

I'm sure you already know this, but he's just using himself as an example. I'm sure the statistics are meant to apply to ALL players when all-in.

I am a nice shill, I am happy to pretend I make as much as you like, toss out a figure and I will agree to it because I encourage paranoid people to be paranoid.

If his stats apply to all players then that means that all players lose more all ins then they are supposed to lose which is an interesting theory. I would ask who all players lose too many all ins to but I am concerned that answer might distort time and space.

His data is also useless for reasons I explained and I suggested how he could get the type of data he actually wants to see. What suggestions have you offered him? How about you do the statistical study for him for free and explain in detail what the data he has provided shows as well.

Actually just sit there and be a paranoid riggie/gimmick imagining a world filled of paid shills.

We are all in on it.

wow...i mean...

there were points in this thread where all of us im sure thought at the time "this was the dumbest thing posted in this thread". but the sheer ignorance of this statement is like true love...you may think youve seen it, but when you finally do "for real" you JUST KNOW.

easily the most ignorant thing posted in this thread

and fwiw i am paid $27 an hour by full tilt poker

Thx for the partial honesty, but my quess would be more like $7 an hr. Also, you say my statement was ignorant but offer no explanation. Care to enlighten me?

You know he's lying. Everyone knows we shills get paid per post. I've built my bankroll on this thread. I've posted how much I'm paid a few times in the thread, but I won't do your homework for you. You should be able to find it. I haven't been that active lately, but I should pick it up again, it really was a nice side gig. Except when they're late with the cheques, that's quite frustrating.

Your statement implied that every single poker player loses too many all ins.

That is difficult to accomplish.

Modify your theory at least to say that all players lose to many all ins to superbots or Lizard People or something at the least. While that would still be paranoid nonsense, at least it would not violate basic math laws.

arouet is right that we get paid per post...but i post so much (not just on 2p2) that i average 27 an hour.

enlightening:

You: all people lose more all-ins than normal.
Me + Pat play 1k hands all-in preflop...explain how we can both lose more than half of the all-ins

DUC your epic fail?

I dont know if its rigged or not but if you cant beat the lowest limits its because your not vary good.

If you create a rigged gimmick just to argue with yourself you can rack up the posts quick and cash in in no time.

You deserve a pay rise, this pathetic sum is nowhere near enough to deal with TheTruth's ******ed ramblings.

We all get considerable bonuses when there is a spate of posts from a particularly ******ed riggie.

In fact, a couple of the sites actually questioned if ken****** and TheTruth5 were gimmicks because they found it hard to believe that anyone could really be that animal stupid. IP records from 2+2 calmed their fears and now we've all got a very nice Christmas bonus.

Yes, but remember that's nothing compared to chasing away a particularly troublesome riggie. After a riggie has not posted for a defined period of time, it is presumed that we've successfully chased them away, and get a bump. If they come back and we're not able to chase them away again, that will be used against us the next time we chase someone away, and we won't get that bonus. So we have a particularly high incentive to keep them away. Some shills have even been known to reach a deal with a riggie to pay them a proportion of their bonus, in exchange for leaving the thread. I think that's unethical though, so I haven't done that.

So the presence of riggies is in fact rigged?