If you know for a fact that FT are ripoff merchants and will take your money illegitimately, doesn't the fact that you continue to play there and be ripped off make you one of the most ******ed people alive today?

He just wants an excuse to break electronic equipment, poker is the perfect one.

In before BOP turns into UnaBomber v. 2

This...I mean seriously, ainec

howdeee fochs

Hi there 2+2


I don't know much about poker algorithms, so I was wondering if a poker site could change hand outcomes in a way that would increase rake without too much deviation. The sample being large enough to be valid, of course.

If they can, wouldn't it would make rigging incredibly difficult to detect, as well as near impossible to prove?

It's not unheard of for a business to cheat if they know its hard to get caught, so I don't see why a business that has little restriction on how it conducts itself wouldn't.

This is precisely what I am saying. Even half a percent over a year is an incredible amount of money -

These ignorant people 'experts' on this site shoot their mouths off freely but are to lazy and ******ed to actually do some real research into actual hand histories to see if my contention is correct.
You cannot easily search for pre-flop allins with PT so doing a search of thousands of results is too time consuming but if every 'genuine' winning player out there did some real research we could get some serious numbers about how rigger their software really is.
Post flop results are meaningless because once cards come out player skill applies. If you are really a winning player start checing your pre-clop all ins - please.

well, i do gotta admit that you called us out pretty hard here for being too lazy to do your research for you...well played.

I don't have PT3, and apparently you can't do it, which I find odd. I'm pretty sure HEM is capable of it, and I thought that PT3 would be too, sorry.

An incredible amount of money they could easily make by changing the rake, instead of instituting an elaborate rigging system, which don't forget costs money to run. A system sophisticated enough to be nearly undetectable is likely going to be too expensive to maintain to justify it only making ~$5 million a year extra. No, most of these "ignorant experts" have already looked into their own hand histories, found nothing hugely abnormal, and moved on with their lives.

The fact that people here don't jump up and down hoping you'll pick them to do your work isn't an indication of laziness of their part. But one of your fellow riggies claims that sites rig it against him regardless of when he gets all in, obliterating his skill factor.

I think increasing rake would absolutely cause people to play elsewhere, but I'm really not sure how much it would effect site attendance.

I have no idea how complicated messing with hand outcomes is, or how much software like that would cost, but being that Pokerstars nets 1.5 million per day, I dont think 5 million would bother them much.

When you're dealing with the amount of money Pokerstars does, a .5% deviation is big time cash over the course of a year.

I see you've raised your game in the head to head you're having with ken****** for the 2+2 'most ******ed ******' award for 2010.

BOP, are you really such a cretin that you continue to play on a site that you seem convinced is robbing you blind?

It certainly seems that way.

What happened?

Did you start to bang your head against the wall as a child and, when you realised it hurt, start railing against the inadequacies of wall regulation whilst continuing to bang your head?

It would explain a lot.

Guys I got my weekly $25 from Stars just fine again. They really are the best (don't forget to count this post in the weekly totals thanks).

But I guess the payment at FTP is hung up or something? I tried to access the post count calculator to make sure my running total was within quota but it says "unable to access". Can anyone verify this is happening to them also? I really would like some steak with the jag this week. Also are the ever going to go to rolling weighted averages?

Thanks.

-apeshill

Yeah, I haven't had my FTP payment this week. All the rest have come in without problem.

Particularly annoying as that ****** ken has upped my total nicely.

Still, never mind, it'll be an extra big cheque for Cristmas.

Guys, check your accounts again...my ftp check payment just came through along with the $50 amazon.com credit (love their holiday bonus!)

Ok it went something like this. I dont use tracking software anymore. I only play like once a month or less.

Hero AK off
Villain A4 off

Pre flop Villain raise to $1.50
Hero Re raise to $4.50
Villain calls

Flop A 4 J rainbow

Villain bets pot
I flat call as I'm a little suspicious of his big bet

Turn K

Villain bets big again
I re raise
Villain shoves
I call

River ...4

Nice 2 outer there dummy.

What does villain think he s beating exactly? AQ or QQ

Terrible play rewarded by miracle river. This was 4th fairly bad beat of the session so I cash out for a $3 profit.

Must be rigged if you cashed out with profit.

By the way, FTP did increase the rake. They invented this little game called rush poker which ensures people play wayyyyy more hands and therefore get involved in wayyyyyy more raked pots. Genius!

Yeah, it's through now.

BTW, did you guys realise that we're posting this in the Internet forum rather than the hidden Shills forum?

Pot at the flop is $10 and both of you have about $45 left or so, let's say you each have $50 left to be festive.

After he bets 10 or so on the flop and you call the pot is now $30 and each of you have about $40 left or so

On the turn he bets "big again" so let's assume $15 or so. At this point the pot is approaching $50 before you put any more chips in and he has $20-25 left in his stack.

Are you suggesting he still has a place to fold here with his two pairs? He does have a few hands you may have beat, and at this point unless you provide the specific hand history to look at it seems he is pretty committed to the hand after the flop.

You suggesting he should check fold the turn?


You got unlucky. Wah wah wah! You are not a riggie so much as a crybaby. You did not cash out anything, you had a little hissy fit and posted it here because they would laugh you out of BBV had you posted it there since most of the regs there actually play poker.


Grow up and play more if you have an edge in the game. If you do not have an edge then cash out and flip burgers.

Give me a legitimate paranoid riggie like the "everyone check your all in preflops, I can't because Poker Tracker does not show that" guy over a fake riggie/genuine whiner any day.

No all the best for you.

Hypothetical question based on what you and others have said. Let's assume we all agree that:

1) Full Tilt (for example) is rigging their deal to generate 1% extra rake.
2) "Everybody knows" but nobody can possibly detect or prove it without a full audit (whatever that means)
3) The sites can do what they like because they are unregulated companies off US soil and are immune from any legal recourse anyway

What would happen if, for example, Pokerstars were to publicly announce that they were increasing their rake by 1% but their deal would be 100% genuine "unlike their major competitors"?

Would you move all your money to Stars?
What percentage rake increase would be too much for you to switch sites?
Would Full Tilt dare take legal action given the Pandoras Box they would be opening?

So it's fine when you bink a 3 outer on the turn, but when your suck-out gets re-sucked, the site is clearly rigged against you, got it.

Take legal action with whom? No site has any legal recourse because they exist on land that is immune from all oversight and laws. You keep all talking like this industry is legit and run within laws yet you fail to accept the fact they aren't. Until we get them on US soil and regulate them properly we can't have a discussion about it. Don't worry it's coming folks.

Exactly how many people have tried to take legal action against FullTilt, that you know of?

First one that comes to mind is Clonie and her suit went far.

That's 1

Way too many shrilltards itt. I tried to start a thread for riggies only (or at least a thread that shrills won't ruin), but that doesn't seem to be possible. Too bad. Even if a site is rigged, there are still opportunities to improve your game.

lol