really?

Thanks.

One MTT Im 2nd out of 36 with 90 runners.

18/33 360 runners.

14/16 90 runners.

23/53 90 runners.

Haven't you got it yet?

Yes, some days it's 'rigged' for you and some days it's 'rigged' against you.

It's just perfectly natural cardfall.

It really would be in your own best interests to learn more probability maths so that you can realise that there's (probably) nothing unnatural about the deal and concentrate on playing poker without rigging concerns distracting you.

is that based on your Zodiac sign? are we back to "it's all in the timing?"

LOL.

Whats the odds of hitting a set on the flop 1/8. Not 3/4. Not exactly what I would call natural cardfall.

There s is nothing natural about Pokerstars deal.

There's a long thread about it where the site first announced their plans, and it was rightfully ridiculed for a lot of reasons. The fact that it does nothing to eliminate the possibility of a rigged deal, which is it's entire raison d'être, was prominent in the criticisms.

Prop bet time. I'll give you 10 to 1.

If you can show me any contiguous series of 100 or more times where any PS player saw the flop with pocket pairs, and flopped 75% sets, I will transfer you $10,000 on Poker Stars. Any player, any hand history, any time. Ever. Provide the hand histories.

If you take my bet and cannot show this, you give me $1000. 10 to 1 odds for you.

Acceptance of this bet expires today, and you can have a week to find the proof. Bet?

How bout my first 20 hands with a PP from Pokerstars today instead, at 70% hitting a set during the hand.

I dont import stars HH from tourneys so is there any way to check my HH and how many times I actually did hit a set.

Id do 10 to 1 for whatever I have left in my Stars account.

We didn't say "during the hand" we said "on the flop".

Your next 30 pocket pairs (from whenever we agree to start), you must get 21 or more sets on the flop. You have to put up $1000 to take the bet. I put up $10,000. We will get someone to escrow the money for us.

How bout my first 20 hands with a PP from Pokerstars today instead, at 70% hitting a set during the hand.

I dont import stars HH from tourneys so is there any way to check my HH and how many times I actually did hit a set.

Id do 10 to 1 for whatever I have left in my Stars account.

Ill only do it this way and I dont have a 1000$ to gamble with at the moment.

Even if we didnt bet would there be a way to get the HH and check my first load off PPs when I was hitting constantly.

If someone believes that a site is rigged and can overcome their selective memory for a while, that is how it must appear to them (if they're honest).

You claimed sets flop 75% on Poker Stars. My $10,00 bet giving 10:1 for you, is for you to prove that, and I will allow a sample as small as 30 contiguous pocket pairs, from any player at any time.

If you want to retract your claim about sets, you may do so now.

SooperFish24: As far as not saving your HHs (hmmm... seems to be standard for rigtards to not use a tracker), you can request them from PS.

No I dont want to retract.

Do you know how I could check the HH at all because now Im more curious than anything to show how many times I actually did flop a set in my first hour or so.

I never said that pairs will flop a set 75% of the time ALL the time, but they sure did today in my first hour or so of stars in a month.

My bet is to show you that it did happen and Im wondering how I would prove it.

That's the whole point, and this is typical rigtard thinking. In an hour you probably were dealt around four pocket pairs and you hit three sets. That is not statistically unusual because it is such a small sample. It happens every single day to multiple players, with a perfectly random deal. But a player flopping 21 sets out of 30 contiguous pocket pairs has probably not happened in the history of the earth and probably never will.

The 3 of 4 case has a chance of 1 in 164 trials.
The 21 of 30 case has a chance of about 1 in 5 trillion.
Study this difference carefully, it is instructive.

Be more careful with your claims. I'll consider my bet declined then.

Ill consider my bet declined as well then.

ok, i rewieved my stats on sharkscope. And i have a negative ROI on sngs only on 1$ limit. And i think this m8 be due to a 25c rake they are charging for sngs.

That and the fact that you are a lousy poker player.

I went back and did the math accurately instead of roughly and the actual number are 1 in 174, and 1 in 7.22 trillion. The point is the same.

I dont write on here much, but was curious if anyone had problems with paradise poker back in the 2002-2004 range. i read all these crazy poker is rigged threads on here and brings back some memories that pushed me away from online poker for a long time.

back when i first stared playing online poker i had some crazy run ins with some players who i though quite possibly were able to see my hole cards. this is like the whole ub ap scandal. players playing and raiseing with hands most people wouldnt play on the blinds. somehow knowing what was coming on every turn of the card. id flop a great hand and raise only to be raised and reraised all the was to the river just to get beat every single time. every time this guy was in a hand he won no matter what i was holding or what was on the board. no this was 7 years ago, but what really got me concerned is when i reported the info to paradise poker my computer would get a trojan virus upon logging on to their poker site. i then would have to take the normal steps to remove such virus only to log on to thier site and get the virus again. thats the point where i figured the site must be behind it. i stopped playing online and stuck with b&m rooms. i was just curious if anyone else had problems with their site back then. to me it made no sense. i have a hard time trusting sites now in the belief that those players were actually paradise poker employees. this was in the 20/40 and 30/60 lhe games.

Why anyone should assume that online poker is operated fairly?

The online gaming industry is not under scrutiny by financial or gaming authorities whatsoever, basic operation control such as auditing, validating the software, access control and communication channel integrity are not in place, and those who claim their site is audited elegantly forget to disclose audit details such as audit methodology, when, how and what has been audited.

As crime and dishonest business operation is not unknown to mankind (partly that’s why the society regulates tax, stock exchange, gaming, etc. ) there is no reason to believe that malicious components do not compromise fair gaming in the unregulated and uncontrolled gaming software environment. It is unlikely that in the universe of Madoff, Enron and Ponzi the unregulated, partly mob operated, partly Costa Rica based online gaming industry is the Theresa Mother of the economy. Yes, online gaming companies might honest and innocent like Joan of Arc's, but until their honesty is verified by a legislation driven regular auditing process we can’t say that they operate fairly and it’s not surprising if the public indeed believes that the kwhole thing is f....g rigged.

why should we believe you're not just another rigtard gimmick account?

A couple of things:

1. Who is Theresa's mother?
2. Just remind me, where were Madoff, Enron and Ponzi regulated?

Because they use their common sense, knowledge of logical argument, probability maths and lack of any evidence whatsoever to come to an intelligent view of the likelyhood of online poker being unfair.

Unlike rigtards who think the fact that they've lost a few hands in a row means that there must be a massive conspiracy to rig on line poker against them.

You can forget about OLP being generally regulated (unless you could get every country in the world to introduce compatible legislation) because if any country did so any affected sites would simply move elsewhere.

And if any country tried to stop people playing on sites not within their own jurisdiction the WTO would be down on them like a ton of bricks.

And that is an organisation with a great deal more clout that the UN on a good day.

You remember Hilda, surely?

Nice woman. Used to go out with that insurance salesman.

Had a Chihuahua until it got run over by the carnival pirate. Got herself a one legged budgie.

You must remember.