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Old 04-22-2009, 02:24 PM   #2676
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How about this. Why do you think Absolute targeted specifically YOU for this and why did they wait till near the money to target specifically YOU or this?
I was going to bring up this point. The idea that any poker site knows who any of us are and actually cares whether we win or lose is not only delusional (yeah, that's how it's spelled...) but amazingly egocentric as well.
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Let's talk about scenario's as to why this would would happen at this particular time....? Any thoughts...?
Why would someone lose a hand at a particular time? Are you listening to yourself? By asking why that hand happened at a specific time you are saying that the loser was targeted. You can lose any hand at any time. It's not a conspiracy. Someone's got to win, and guess what? It's not always going to be you. Basically what's behind this reasoning is a sense of entitlement, as in "I deserve to win." Back to the egocentric thing again.

If you (a general "you" - not directed at anyone in particular) are sure that the sites won't let you win then stop playing. It's that simple. There is nothing in the Constitution, Magna Carta or even the Ark of the Covenant that guarantees man's right to play "not rigged" poker, online or otherwise. No portion of your paycheck is diverted directly to poker sites; you can uninstall the software and never look back again. Let it go and spend some time with your family, go to the beach, visit an adult theater, whatever you like to do.

It seems that the Rigtard Army doesn't like playing poker online. That's fine. Just stop. OR open your own site and do everything that many of the rooms currently in business do to assure a fair game and if you can think of anything else, throw that in too. But don't be surprised if the next generation of losers blame your software for their failure, 'cause they will.
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Old 04-22-2009, 02:43 PM   #2677
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I hear there's a new online site using a real deck of cards on video, guaranteed not to be rigged!!! See it with your own eyes:
http://realdealpoker.com/movie/index.html


Now that's a confidence-inspiring gizmo right there. Maybe they can find a few customers ITT.

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Old 04-22-2009, 03:09 PM   #2678
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That's BS. I've played over 500k hands and it does not add up.
Would you care to show us the stats...no. But you post the following to help prove your point. Why?

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Great hand just now.

Flop Ace High nut flush on unpaired board. Only thing I'm thinking is how is PS going to **** me now.

Dude has K7. betting on his stupid king.

Obviously turn k river 7.

Such a surprise.
Where was the ace on the flop? I'm shocked
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:17 PM   #2679
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I hear there's a new online site using a real deck of cards on video, guaranteed not to be rigged!!! See it with your own eyes:
http://realdealpoker.com/movie/index.html


Now that's a confidence-inspiring gizmo right there. Maybe they can find a few customers ITT.
looks cool, but i am wondering how they will make it without software being redicoulsly slow?
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:18 PM   #2680
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Based on the fact that they still aren't having real money games and their customer service takes like 7 hours to respond to inquiries I kind of doubt they've got that figured out.
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:31 PM   #2681
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Really? Then why didnt it happen until then? In a live game I'd agree with you...
Do you re-read your posts before hitting the 'submit reply' button? If you did, you'd realize how ******ed this question is.

What does AP (or any other site for that matter) have to gain in rigging tournaments? A site makes their money from tournaments due to the entry fee. There is no benefit for them to rig a tournament, as when it starts, they have already made as much money as they possibly can.

Also, since you seem to have this notion that a particular site has chosen you to receive a lifetime's worth of bad-beats, why on earth do you still play there?
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:45 PM   #2682
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Do you re-read your posts before hitting the 'submit reply' button? If you did, you'd realize how ******ed this question is.

What does AP (or any other site for that matter) have to gain in rigging tournaments? A site makes their money from tournaments due to the entry fee. There is no benefit for them to rig a tournament, as when it starts, they have already made as much money as they possibly can.
The rigtard answer to this is "The sites make you bust out to speed up tournaments so you play another one and pay more rake" but it doesn't really make sense because about the last thing I want to do after busting out after playing for 2 or 3 hours right before the bubble is start a new tourney.
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:45 PM   #2683
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Previously, there was an article on our site referring to Google listing us as a malicious website. Google did not list us as a potentially malicious site but what did happen is that some posters in a poker forum maliciously pressed false statements that Google had listed us as malicious. Upon investigation, we have discovered that at least one of these individuals work for the competition and have an obvious objection to our system and process of bringing a fair game with real card and real deals to the online poker world. We have asked for this individual to recant their statement but to date no e-mail response has been returned.


-- Thats a quote from that realdeal poker site :-)
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:50 PM   #2684
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Old 04-22-2009, 04:00 PM   #2685
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The rigtard answer to this is "The sites make you bust out to speed up tournaments so you play another one and pay more rake" but it doesn't really make sense because about the last thing I want to do after busting out after playing for 2 or 3 hours right before the bubble is start a new tourney.
He was the larger stack in hand 1 and the smaller one in hand 2 so even that line of reasoning (if one calls it that) would not apply, since why not just have the small stack lose in hand 1 if finishing faster was what mattered.

Both hands were pretty standard as well or a micro tournament in terms of play, but I assume that does not matter.

Both hands were against different opponents, so I assume the boom switch/doom switch or hot tourney seat theories would not really apply.

Nothing really fits even common rigged beliefs, so the only thing left is that this guy is being specifically targeted for reasons only he can really explain.

Or perhaps it was just a couple of routine hands that he lost due to a bit of bad luck, but just because that is obvious, rational, and logical common sense conclusion is no reason to accept it at face value. At least for some.
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Old 04-22-2009, 04:05 PM   #2686
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I hear there's a new online site using a real deck of cards on video, guaranteed not to be rigged!!! See it with your own eyes:
http://realdealpoker.com/movie/index.html


Now that's a confidence-inspiring gizmo right there. Maybe they can find a few customers ITT.
Is that a poker room made by rigtards ? I am reading now and there are alot of interesting stuff .. The site is not completed or anything but it looks interesting.
http://realdealpoker.com/pdf/Stephen...Enthusiast.pdf
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Old 04-22-2009, 04:11 PM   #2687
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Yeah, we're familiar with Stephen's Manifesto, thank you.
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Old 04-22-2009, 04:25 PM   #2688
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He posted it here before he got banned and sent his theories to realdeal.
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Old 04-22-2009, 04:29 PM   #2689
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ooooh, didnt knew that sorry. But those stories come perfect as a publicity campaing of that new card shuffling invent .
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ooooh, didnt knew that sorry. But those stories come perfect to a publicity campaing of that new card shuffling invent .
sick level. GrindeRR, is that you?
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sick level. GrindeRR, is that you?
whos the GrindeRR ... ?
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Old 04-22-2009, 11:03 PM   #2692
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whos the GrindeRR ... ?
He went by many names, all banned, and all of them touting realdeal as the next big thing. He claimed no affiliation. He hung with the infamous stephenmeares who wrote the rigged paper you read.

I do see a resemblance in your posts, and English was not his first language either.

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Old 04-23-2009, 09:41 AM   #2693
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You still aren't getting it. There is no maybe or maybe not "due". You are never "due". This concept doesn't exist when dealing with individual events. You could flip a coin 10 times in a row and have it come up 10 times head. Tails is not due and never will be. The odds for the next flip are still 50/50 as long as the flip is completely random.
I see, so you're flipping the doomswitch on me, eh? ; )
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He went by many names, all banned, and all of them touting realdeal as the next big thing. He claimed no affiliation. He hung with the infamous stephenmeares who wrote the rigged paper you read.

I do see a resemblance in your posts, and English was not his first language either.
No i am not him. I guess someone can check it by ip or something. :-). And it was first time i saw that card shuffling system.
Btw, it looks interesting to me, but big poker room like poker stars or full tilt would need atleast 10K of those machines. The code that is being scaned when cards pass through a scanner would be damaged prety soon, so they would have to change a deck in about each 300 shuffles whitch would supose alot of work on each and single machine. It looks like good idea, but it still has to be upgraded. I am prety sure that was the main reason why realdealpoker has a delay on their software release
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No i am not him. I guess someone can check it by ip or something. :-).
I was just kidding. But I do find your ignorance about the stephen meares/Real Deal fiasco charming.
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I was just kidding. But I do find your ignorance about the stephen meares/Real Deal fiasco charming.
Is there something that i dont know about all this ?? . Did it failed ?
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Btw, it looks interesting to me, but big poker room like poker stars or full tilt would need atleast 10K of those machines.
The entire real deal thing is completely and unutterably lame.

The whole problem with the 'RNG is rigged' people is that they just don't have a clue about RNG's and deals.

'Rigging' the RNG to do anything consistent would be as near to impossible as just about anything.

If a site wanted to rig a deal they would simply ignore the hand that was dealt with the RNG and substitute cards to get the effect they wanted.

So doing a 'real' deal achieves absolutely nothing. A crooked site could do mechanical deals and then simply subsitute the cards they needed to boost/damp their target.
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Old 04-23-2009, 10:12 AM   #2698
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So doing a 'real' deal achieves absolutely nothing. A crooked site could do mechanical deals and then simply subsitute the cards they needed to boost/damp their target.
Thats what i thought as well
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Fun with the shortstacks today.20NL on ipoker.

Ak vs AJ=board J x x J x first card helps villain. 71% vs 25%.AIPF

Same player 2 hands later

K J vs 77 first 2 cards 77 and J. 45%vs 54%.AIPF

JJ 22. Board 2 x x x x.WOW Villain gets insta help again.81% vs 19%

A10 vs 9 6off on a A K 9 board all in. Turn 6 x LOOOL! 81% vs 19% when money in. First card hits agian.

Also funny pokerstars hand whilst posting this. Rigged for me as I havent played there in a month. Playing 4 MTT s with my last few dollars.

Me 77 villain KK

Flop 7 10 K

All in Turn x

River 7.

Plus Ive hit a set literally 75% of the time Ive had pocket pair. Rigged for me today lol. At this rate Im gonna Final Table all 4.
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