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View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
Yes
3,502 34.89%
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5,607 55.86%
Undecided
929 9.25%

11-11-2010 , 08:03 PM
Dude you've said before you're a heroin junkie. Maybe it's time to accept others opinions and ideas as yours have all been wrong so far in life.
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11-11-2010 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ktx
he just happened to get lucky and have a hand and even worse, flop a set like a ****ing baby sat donk always does on pokerstars
I'm sorry for doubting you OP. This is conclusive proof for your position and I now agree with all of your claims.
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11-11-2010 , 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ktx
first hand at this table i knew he hit a set because i have kings....every singel ****ing time?
Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BB: $5.00
Hero (UTG): $4.90
MP: $0.28
CO: $8.14
BTN: $5.00
SB: $8.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is UTG with K K
Hero calls $0.05, 3 folds, SB calls $0.03, BB raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.85
What exactly are you trying to do by limp/raising with kings?
Considering your answers to other questions, I expect something among the lines of "it worked, because he called my reraise!" but what's the point?
Why not open with a raise?

When you limp/raise, people put you on aces most of the time. Because that's what donks who want to be tricky do with aces. That's very tricky to turn your hand face up, or something. If he's aware of that, he might fold a lot of stuff he'd 3bet you with had you raised first.



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Originally Posted by ktx
i always manually/separately save and review all my big pots/hands during a session and i will gladly show you those. a quick glance over just the last few days of these hands shows my AA and KK losing the vast majority of the time when they get to see a flop.
Ok, then ( as you seem to have an explanation for everything ) can you explain why your AA/KK lose the vast majority of the time, and my AA/KK wins a vast majority of the time?
I'm a micro player too btw ( Mentionning this because you said somewhere that you believe only the microlimits are rigged )
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11-11-2010 , 09:54 PM
ktx your running at -17/internets per pages. sry bout it.
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11-11-2010 , 10:18 PM
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11-11-2010 , 10:22 PM
just lol at this thread.
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11-11-2010 , 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ktx
now im not statistical genius but i did some quick calculations and came up with this as the odds of losing 10 times in a row with 80% equity:

9,765,625 to 1

yes almost 10 million to 1? i dont think this is correct but i will show my math if anyone wants to see it. still, lets say its just 1million to 1....this is probably the fourth or fifth time i've managed to have one of these streaks in 300k hands(strange its never happened on bodog or fulltilt) always on pokerstars.

how can anyone sit here and tell me its just variance?
I will tell you it is just variance.

Your math is right but you seem to have no understanding of it. You compute a nonzero probability of a sequence of events and say HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN?!?! Well, you compute a nonzero probability, it can in fact happen. Moreover, lets say you did 300,000, a nice round number you throw out, flips at 80/20. The expected longest streak of losses is, DING DING DING ~10. This doesn't mean you won't or can't have a longer string of losses, in fact about half the time you will have a longer largest string of losing flips. Also this doesn't include the probability of having a run in that string that is 5 losses, a win you forget about and five more losses.

Here's something to think about there millions of 80/20 flips happening every day on every site. If the worst hand never won 10 in a row would you think online poker is rigged?

Link to the math about longest expected winning streak fro those who care
http://gato-docs.its.txstate.edu/mat...LongestRun.pdf
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11-11-2010 , 11:47 PM
reading without posting
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11-11-2010 , 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by masterdonk
What exactly are you trying to do by limp/raising with kings?
Considering your answers to other questions, I expect something among the lines of "it worked, because he called my reraise!" but what's the point?
Why not open with a raise?

When you limp/raise, people put you on aces most of the time. Because that's what donks who want to be tricky do with aces. That's very tricky to turn your hand face up, or something. If he's aware of that, he might fold a lot of stuff he'd 3bet you with had you raised first.




Ok, then ( as you seem to have an explanation for everything ) can you explain why your AA/KK lose the vast majority of the time, and my AA/KK wins a vast majority of the time?
I'm a micro player too btw ( Mentionning this because you said somewhere that you believe only the microlimits are rigged )
you idiot you just dont get it. i limp raise because I WANT THEM TO PUT ME ON KINGS OR ACES BECAUSE I DONT WANT TO SEE A FLOP OR GO TO SHOWDOWN.

and if you ****ing idiots want more proof here is THREE MORE TIMES I LOST WITH AA AND KK just look:



Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BTN: $2.01
SB: $4.93
BB: $1.33
Hero (UTG): $6.27
MP: $1.50
CO: $1.37

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with A A
Hero raises to $0.08, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.08, 1 fold, BB calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.25) 4 3 K (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.24, BTN raises to $1.93 all in, BB folds, Hero calls $1.69

Turn: ($4.11) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($4.11) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $4.11
BTN shows 3 3 (four of a kind, Threes)
Hero shows A A (two pair, Aces and Threes)
BTN wins $3.91
(Rake: $0.20)
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11-11-2010 , 11:56 PM
i mean how many ****ing times can someone just happen to hit a set? why can some of you ****ing idiots not believe that maybe just MAYBE this stupid site is actually rigged

i'm so sick of this ****. i KNOW ITS RIGGED. i know it and you ****ing idiots can keep telling yourselves its not because you see dumb **** mods/admins who are payed and sponsored by pokerstars.

its absolutely ridiculous that people cannot see this ****? how many hand histories can i post until you start to see the pattern? AA or KK EVERYTIME BUSTED BY A LOWER PP. EVERYTIME.
EVERYTIME?? at what point do you ****ing idiots go hmm maybe this isnt variance ive lost close to 35 times in a row with AA or KK
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11-12-2010 , 12:01 AM
lol at this call
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11-12-2010 , 12:01 AM
sad story sis
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11-12-2010 , 12:14 AM
You "know" it's rigged yet you keep playing....Who's the idiot?
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11-12-2010 , 12:24 AM
In the words of the great Doyle Brunson... Pocket A's either win a small pot, or lose a big one. Next time fold pre or quit the game.
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11-12-2010 , 12:27 AM
also, have you seen the matt affleck beat? must have been rigged.. o wait that **** was LIVE
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11-12-2010 , 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ktx
you idiot you just dont get it. i limp raise because I WANT THEM TO PUT ME ON KINGS OR ACES BECAUSE I DONT WANT TO SEE A FLOP OR GO TO SHOWDOWN.

and if you ****ing idiots want more proof here is THREE MORE TIMES I LOST WITH AA AND KK just look:



Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BTN: $2.01
SB: $4.93
BB: $1.33
Hero (UTG): $6.27
MP: $1.50
CO: $1.37

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with A A
Hero raises to $0.08, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.08, 1 fold, BB calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.25) 4 3 K (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.24, BTN raises to $1.93 all in, BB folds, Hero calls $1.69

Turn: ($4.11) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($4.11) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $4.11
BTN shows 3 3 (four of a kind, Threes)
Hero shows A A (two pair, Aces and Threes)
BTN wins $3.91
(Rake: $0.20)
So, you lost a 15/85? Seems fair. If you would have win it, that would have been sooooo rigged, amirite?
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11-12-2010 , 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ktx
you idiot you just dont get it. i limp raise because I WANT THEM TO PUT ME ON KINGS OR ACES BECAUSE I DONT WANT TO SEE A FLOP OR GO TO SHOWDOWN.
I like your thinking, but some of your opponents might be more sophisticated than you think. Perhaps they put you on AA or KK, but they also know that Pokerstars rigs it so that AA and KK lose every time and therefore they call you. Just make a player note like "they know it's rigged too" or something like that when you encounter these players.
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11-12-2010 , 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ktx
you idiot you just dont get it. i limp raise because I WANT THEM TO PUT ME ON KINGS OR ACES BECAUSE I DONT WANT TO SEE A FLOP OR GO TO SHOWDOWN.

and if you ****ing idiots want more proof here is THREE MORE TIMES I LOST WITH AA AND KK just look:



Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BTN: $2.01
SB: $4.93
BB: $1.33
Hero (UTG): $6.27
MP: $1.50
CO: $1.37

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with A A
Hero raises to $0.08, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.08, 1 fold, BB calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.25) 4 3 K (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.24, BTN raises to $1.93 all in, BB folds, Hero calls $1.69

Turn: ($4.11) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($4.11) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $4.11
BTN shows 3 3 (four of a kind, Threes)
Hero shows A A (two pair, Aces and Threes)
BTN wins $3.91
(Rake: $0.20)
Why do you keep raising so small? This is 2NL. They're going to set mine on you all day, no matter how much you charge them. So charge them more preflop.

At 2NL, I think pushing all-in pre with AA or KK is the best play. Obviously you don't agree, but you've got to raise bigger. Raise to at least $0.15 preflop. Don't give them the implied odds to flop a set and bust you. As played, the guy with the pocket 3's played it perfectly because you let him.
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11-12-2010 , 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by neok
op is so ******ed it can't be real.
how can someone be so ****ing stupid seriously?
it even kinda tilts me he must be sitting behind his computer right now, just refreshing this page, waiting for replies he can respond to. Eating his crisps, thinking he could get out of his house and have a social life as soon as he could ball it up with his newfound pokermoneys.
now he realizes he's just another losing player who sucks at the game and so he comes on the forums to complain and act like a rigtard, because suuuurely it can't be his own fault he's losing.
He plays perfect poker, everyone checks his topset behind on AJK, it's called trapping, learnt by mr hellmuth himself.
op KNOWS poker and KNOWS pokerstars is rigged.


/rant





I HATE YOU OP
projecting much?
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11-12-2010 , 12:59 AM
Can you come up with one logical reason why 2NL would be rigged?

Not that I care, nor will I read anymore of this thread, but just think about it.
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11-12-2010 , 01:04 AM
i cant believe you are talking to this tard. I saw him in a thread like a week ago say to someone like 3 times .. i wonder what site that was on?! Now he started a thread about it. Its funny how you can tell how is just a complete idiot within like 1 post.
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11-12-2010 , 01:38 AM
If you dont want them to call when you have aces, then why are you raising? You could just open fold pre, or jam allin. I mean, nobody wants their opponent to call when they have aces.
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11-12-2010 , 02:08 AM
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Good God United States of America government, why can't you PLLEASE just do the smart thing, and TAX/REGULATE Online Poker
For this to happen congress has to pass a law legalizing it and that is in the works. Once they do the offshore element dies and jokerstars and full tilt go down hard since they wont give sites that ignored the law a license in the US and party gaming takes all their players and the Nevada gaming commish regulates the hardware and software so you can actually get a legit game
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11-12-2010 , 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Erratik
nh
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11-12-2010 , 03:31 AM
I'm gonna guess it was Jokerstars (Pokerstars)
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