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View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
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11-09-2010 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MaximumPwnership
an excellent player would win at any stakes the site wanted him to win with if it's rigged right? I wanted to make sure the readers are aware of who you're talking about also, a sponsored PS team pro.

Randy "nanonoko" Lew is a member of Team Pokerstars. KABOOM
How about this guy then? He consistently wins, but he's not affiliated to Stars..

http://www.pokertableratings.com/sta...rch/bankitdrew
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11-09-2010 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by MaximumPwnership
an excellent player would win at any stakes the site wanted him to win with if it's rigged right? I wanted to make sure the readers are aware of who you're talking about also, a sponsored PS team pro.

Randy "nanonoko" Lew is a member of Team Pokerstars. KABOOM
Pretty lucky for him they "rigged" it so he'd win ~$2 million before granting him "Online Pro" status, a prestigious title which grants him rakeback and a bonus he can clear.
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11-09-2010 , 06:35 PM
Is this a sign from the devil? I make a 6card flush

Awesome

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11-09-2010 , 06:36 PM
if you want to see MTT winners just look at the pocketfives leaderboards for hundreds of profitable players.
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11-09-2010 , 06:37 PM
I'm not going to be able to reply to all of you, because they're are a lot of you that want to believe in the honorable intentions of criminals. No one has any proof one way or the other, so this debate is moot until Interpol storms Full Tilt's offices in Dublin, before the server administrators can install the legit algorithms. I honestly don't have a problem with Poker Stars btw. I know my hands hold up much better on stars than they do on FT. Don't try to tell me anything about computers either, I am a Unix administrator now for the last 15 years. I have installed/utilized prng many times. I am also a decent C+ coder, so perhaps it's just easier for me to recognize patterns and understand how it's working with the software. I know that one example of one hand is irrelevant, but i'm going to do it anyway to prove a point. I was playing in a small super turbo on FT yesterday (I consider this purely entertainment and evidence for my rigging beliefs, before we get the well why do you play if you believe it's rigged speech...) By far, the hugest example of rigging I can see clearly is in super turbos on FT. I can call out the 2 outer river card that's coming when I'm with say AJ vs 67 (A on flop, 7 on turn, 7 on river) When I can predict the hands and tell my friends what's going to come, there's something wrong. I can tell you when I see 3 connecting cards in super turbo's that a straight is going roll out on the board. Pattern recognition. Now super turbos are a bastardized form of poker that are created for fast games and more rake for Howard. If you are skeptical of the possibility that online poker is rigged, then I urge you to play some super turbos on FT.

Last edited by MaximumPwnership; 11-09-2010 at 06:48 PM. Reason: wrong hole cards listed, corrected, spelling correction
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11-09-2010 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MaximumPwnership
I'm not going to be able to reply to all of you, because they're are a lot of you that want to believe in the honorable intentions of criminals. No one has any proof one way or the other, so this debate is mute until Interpol storms Full Tilt's offices in Dublin, before the server administrators can install the legit algorithms. I honestly don't have a problem with Poker Stars btw. I know my hands hold up much better on stars than they do on FT. Don't try to tell me anything about computers either, I am a Unix administrator now for the last 15 years. I have installed/utilized prng many times. I am also a decent C+ coder, so perhaps it's just easier for me to recognize patterns and understand how it's working with the software. I know that one example of one hand is irrelevant, but i'm going to do it anyway to prove a point. I was playing in a small super turbo on FT yesterday (I consider this purely entertainment and evidence for my rigging beliefs, before we get the well why do you play if you believe it's rigged speech...) By far, the hugest example of rigging I can see clearly is in super turbos on FT. I can call out the 2 outer river card that's coming when I'm with say AJ vs 67 (A on flop, 7 on turn, 7 on river) When I can predict the hands and tell my friends what's going to come, there's something wrong. I can tell you when I see 3 connecting cards in super turbo's that a straight is going roll out on the board. Pattern recognition. Now super turbos are a bastardized form of poker that are created for fast games and more rake for Howard. If you are skeptical of the possibility that online poker is rigged, then I urge you to play some super turbos on FT.
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11-09-2010 , 06:43 PM
and you're an a$$hat that calls names instead of coming up with an intelligible response. I believe you are the mupp sir.
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11-09-2010 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by MaximumPwnership
and you're an a$$hat that calls names instead of coming up with an intelligible response. I believe you are the mupp sir.
How can you expect anyone to come up with an intelligent response to nonsensical drivel?
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11-09-2010 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by MaximumPwnership
No one has any proof one way or the other, so this debate is mute until Interpol storms Full Tilt's offices in Dublin, before the server administrators can install the legit algorithms.
Now I'm really torn between whether you're a gimmick, a ~13 year old kid trying to act like an older guy, or just a dumbass.
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If you are skeptical of the possibility that online poker is rigged, then I urge you to play some super turbos on FT.
facepalm.jpg

If you don't think flipping a coin is rigged, I urge you to try to pick a number in roulette.
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11-09-2010 , 06:49 PM
maybe, you're just not smart enough to comprehend written english and logic?
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11-09-2010 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by MaximumPwnership
maybe, you're just not smart enough to comprehend written english and logic?
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11-09-2010 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MaximumPwnership
maybe, you're just not smart enough to comprehend written english and logic?
Try showing some.
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11-09-2010 , 06:52 PM
good god man,sigh, these are not coin flip situations I speak of. These are dominating hands that are repeatedly 1 or 2 outter'd by dominated hands. Next.
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11-09-2010 , 06:54 PM
lol bad beats from a super turbo is hardly evidence.. i mean a lot of people are shoving almost ATC at some point in those things.. if you are playing nitty its only a matter of time before a big suckout heads your way. i cant even complain because im up a couple hundo in supers/hypers.
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11-09-2010 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MaximumPwnership
good god man,sigh, these are not coin flip situations I speak of. These are dominating hands that are repeatedly 1 or 2 outter'd by dominated hands. Next.
Do explain how you get 1 or 2 outered when AIPF.
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11-09-2010 , 07:04 PM
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Do explain how you get 1 or 2 outered when AIPF.
HHs please?
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11-09-2010 , 07:04 PM
certainly, A6 vs 67 all in pre-flop, A comes on the flop (other guys is dominated at this point in the hand), 7 on the turn, 7 on the river.
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11-09-2010 , 07:07 PM
I don't use a HUD, so unfortunately I don't have hand histories, but i'll request from FT support and post. I don't know why I bother though, then you guys will be preaching variance.
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11-09-2010 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MaximumPwnership
certainly, A6 vs 67 all in pre-flop, A comes on the flop (other guys is dominated at this point in the hand), 7 on the turn, 7 on the river.
What program are you using to come up with your stats and why haven't you posted these stats?
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11-09-2010 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MaximumPwnership
certainly, A6 vs 67 all in pre-flop
ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
328,762,368 trials (Exhaustive)
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
a668.73% 222,493,9086,917,244
6731.27% 99,351,2166,917,244

What a terrible beat, losing as a 68% favorite.
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11-09-2010 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MaximumPwnership
I don't use a HUD, so unfortunately I don't have hand histories, but i'll request from FT support and post. I don't know why I bother though, then you guys will be preaching variance.
Oh....

So you just use your mind to see patterns? Gotcha.
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11-09-2010 , 07:11 PM
KingOfFelt, If i post my stats, you will say variance, there's no way to win this argument one way or the other. I will post my stats. I don't record my stats, but FT will provide some of them if I ask. Why haven't I posted my stats? Do I owe you anything? What haven't you provided a link to back up your claims?
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11-09-2010 , 07:20 PM
hey thanks for running that through the poker calculator?? Let me repeat myself, I am not pointing to one hand as evidence. Run AA vs 27 through your calculator and maybe that will satisfy you. You are totally missing the point.
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11-09-2010 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MaximumPwnership
hey thanks for running that through the poker calculator?? Let me repeat myself, I am not pointing to one hand as evidence. Run AA vs 27 through your calculator and maybe that will satisfy you. You are totally missing the point.
What is your point exactly? That you're not very good at the basic math of poker?
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11-09-2010 , 07:25 PM
At least you admit your mind is just creating patterns.

I'd love to fly on a plane designed by engineers who just went by their gut feelings and had no use for silly maths.
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