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View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
Yes
3,502 34.89%
No
5,607 55.86%
Undecided
929 9.25%

11-08-2010 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by bluewhat
There are PLENTY of times where he's showing a recorded beat and at the same time, the bad beats are happening while he's in the middle of playing.
What?

WHAT?

ZOMG!!! WHAT??? !!!

You mean someone is playing poker and gets bad beats?

HOLD THE FRONT PAGE!




On the other hand, when you start to understand that bad beats do, indeed, happen often you will be on your way to grasping the rudiments of what makes poker poker.
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11-08-2010 , 11:28 AM
I've just got used to the fact that being a 70-82% fav on FTP is flipping, and that flipping i'm a 3/1 dog.

sigh.
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11-08-2010 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TL900
I've just got used to the fact that being a 70-82% fav on FTP is flipping, and that flipping i'm a 3/1 dog.

sigh.
Those are some pretty neat stats you are throwing out there. Care to show your work?

Somehow I doubt it.
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11-08-2010 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bluewhat
That's not true at all. magic612 has a LIVE poker broadcast where the beats happen without being cherry picked. There are PLENTY of times where he's showing a recorded beat and at the same time, the bad beats are happening while he's in the middle of playing.

Since you like youtube links here is one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1uJD1O3L08

The guy predicted he would get 10 heads in a row from a fair coin and he did it. The coin must be rigged (or if you bother to search further for other clips you will see it took many, many hours of trial and error to finally get the results).

Watch the full show on "the system" and you will see how easy it is to get people to believe a system is rigged/fixed/exploitable simply because they see a pattern they cannot explain.


No offense, but guys like you are a perfect target for all sorts of cons because you really, really want to believe in these mystical forces.



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Originally Posted by bluewhat
PLENTY of big online companies that deal with peoples money are "rigged". Take paypal for example. They are the biggest money merchant in the WORLD, yet they have been sued COUNTLESS times by MILLIONS of customers that had accounts with them for ILLEGALLY holding their funds. Paypal would (and still does) freeze peoples accounts and does not allow them to withdraw the money. Then paypal would tell them that they could withdraw their money in 180 days! and when the customer asks for an explanation, paypal doesn't give them one! That's when they get taken to court and 90% of them end up winning because paypal usually SETTLES. Paypal holds money because they collect massive amounts of interest, and they have been getting away with it for a LONG TIME.

So if you have a feeling that pokerstars is rigged, it more than likely is. Just because you see pokerstars being advertised on tv does not make it 100% legit and honest no matter what the masses may try and tell you. There is a lot of money to be made when dealing with online poker. If you think about it, pokerstars is kind of like paypal since you have a money account with them. Like paypal, they do whatever they want with your money, only they don't get taken to court.

The people saying pokerstars could no way be rigged at all are kind of like clueless Americans who think that electing a "good" president will fix most of the problems America is having now. What most of them don't know is that America is being controlled by elite (the Illuminati) the same people that have a license to print money out of thin air (the FEDS). The president is not his own man. He does only what his puppet masters tell him to do.

You can save yourself a lot of time but just using a shorter version of all of this babble which is

"everything in life is rigged"

That is called being paranoid, and assuming you are not a level (which even if you are it does not matter), you actually are even more paranoid than the average riggie with all the illuminati stuff as well. Even that banonline guy does not trust the illuminati until someone physically looks at their computers in the US.

Set up shop on a crate on a street corner somewhere and preach. That is pretty much your lot in life anyway, and that way you will get more fresh air.


All the best.
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11-08-2010 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt
Those are some pretty neat stats you are throwing out there. Care to show your work?

Somehow I doubt it.
I don't think you can post a picture of your ass in this thread.
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11-08-2010 , 02:06 PM
bluemac, I don't understand, if Pokerstars is rigged so that the worst hand wins why don't you just get it in with the worst hand all the time and make a ton of money?

Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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11-08-2010 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Since you like youtube links here is one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1uJD1O3L08

The guy predicted he would get 10 heads in a row from a fair coin and he did it. The coin must be rigged (or if you bother to search further for other clips you will see it took many, many hours of trial and error to finally get the results).

Watch the full show on "the system" and you will see how easy it is to get people to believe a system is rigged/fixed/exploitable simply because they see a pattern they cannot explain.


No offense, but guys like you are a perfect target for all sorts of cons because you really, really want to believe in these mystical forces.






You can save yourself a lot of time but just using a shorter version of all of this babble which is

"everything in life is rigged"

That is called being paranoid, and assuming you are not a level (which even if you are it does not matter), you actually are even more paranoid than the average riggie with all the illuminati stuff as well. Even that banonline guy does not trust the illuminati until someone physically looks at their computers in the US.

Set up shop on a crate on a street corner somewhere and preach. That is pretty much your lot in life anyway, and that way you will get more fresh air.


All the best.
Like I said. PAYPAL is a great example of illegal activities taking place within the company. It is a FACT that they have been illegally holding peoples money to build up interest. Sure, there have been tons of people who said paypal was 100% honest and that they would never do anything illegal because they already make so much money. That was until they have been exposed over and over by the customers winning in big court cases against them, yet they are still in business because MONEY TALKS!


So there you go. Just because a company is super big and has millions of customers doesn't mean it's 100% honest ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE AN ONLINE BUSINESS IN CONTROL OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

Looking at this poll, a lot of people agree that online poker is rigged.
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11-08-2010 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt
Those are some pretty neat stats you are throwing out there. Care to show your work?

Somehow I doubt it.
I'm not saying online poker is rigged, I just run abismally on FTP i am $4k below EV in cash games alone.
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11-08-2010 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Resistance
bluewhat, I don't understand, if Pokerstars is rigged so that the worst hand wins why don't you just get it in with the worst hand all the time and make a ton of money?

Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Come on, answer me bitch
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11-08-2010 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by bluewhat
Like I said. PAYPAL is a great example of illegal activities taking place within the company. It is a FACT that they have been illegally holding peoples money to build up interest. Sure, there have been tons of people who said paypal was 100% honest and that they would never do anything illegal because they already make so much money. That was until they have been exposed over and over by the customers winning in big court cases against them, yet they are still in business because MONEY TALKS!


So there you go. Just because a company is super big and has millions of customers doesn't mean it's 100% honest ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE AN ONLINE BUSINESS IN CONTROL OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

Looking at this poll, a lot of people agree that online poker is rigged.
Yeah, but when you accuse a company of being fraudulent and your argument is "well other big companies have been fraudulent in the past" then you look like an idiot.
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11-08-2010 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Resistance
bluemac, I don't understand, if Pokerstars is rigged so that the worst hand wins why don't you just get it in with the worst hand all the time and make a ton of money?

Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Bluemac, if pokerstars or anyother site is rigged and you knew how it was rigged couldn't you use it to your advantage? I mean, there are players who make a profit in spite of it being "rigged"; how do you explain that? Some of them, appearantly, dont believe it's rigged either.

Has anyone read Online Poker Code Crack, The PokerStars Code, or any of those other supposed "secrets to online poker" books? I realize many of you think they are a waste of money but who's read them and can you get me a free copy? If not, is there a solid review on this site or anyother? I realize most people right them off as rediculous, but have you read them?

Since we appearantly can't prove for sure whether or not it's rigged:

http://www.pokerjunkie.com/poker-blo...esting-the-rng

let's let the money talk. Is there anyone that is making a profit who believes these sites are rigged? If not you, who? And how are they using this information to their advantage?

I've noticed a few strategies "believers" seem to have in these threads.

1) They fold some premium hands when they suspect they are being set up. For example, they just won two or three coinflips yet fold K K to an all-in raise by a big stack.
2) They wait for a period after they cash out to avoid the cooler
3) What else?
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11-08-2010 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by TL900
I've just got used to the fact that being a 70-82% fav on FTP is flipping, and that flipping i'm a 3/1 dog.

sigh.
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Originally Posted by TL900
I'm not saying online poker is rigged
If your above post is true over a large sample size then that would be a strong indicator that you are experiencing an unfair deal.

So post your stats that prove your statement. Or were you just lying about those stats?
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11-08-2010 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bluewhat
Like I said. PAYPAL is a great example of illegal activities taking place within the company. It is a FACT that they have been illegally holding peoples money to build up interest. Sure, there have been tons of people who said paypal was 100% honest and that they would never do anything illegal because they already make so much money. That was until they have been exposed over and over by the customers winning in big court cases against them, yet they are still in business because MONEY TALKS!


So there you go. Just because a company is super big and has millions of customers doesn't mean it's 100% honest ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE AN ONLINE BUSINESS IN CONTROL OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

Looking at this poll, a lot of people agree that online poker is rigged.

Lots of people think the moon landing was a fake. You probably think the moon landing was a fake.

All that (and this thread) really prove is that a lot of people are quite naive, paranoid, and stupid, which is hardly new information about the human race.


Anyway, everyone knows the Lizard People are the ones who control everything.
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11-08-2010 , 05:32 PM
You know people win single numbers at the roulette wheel even though the casino is a huge favorite.

Every time I start to get depressed thinking that poker is drying up, everyone's solid I like to come here and reassure myself that there's still plenty of idiots out there.
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11-08-2010 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Lots of people think the moon landing was a fake. You probably think the moon landing was a fake.

All that (and this thread) really prove is that a lot of people are quite naive, paranoid, and stupid, which is hardly new information about the human race.


Anyway, everyone knows the Lizard People are the ones who control everything.
hahaha. I see you completely disregarded everything I said about a great example of an online site that deals with people's money in BILLIONS of dollars called paypal and they scam people all the time WITH TONS OF PROOF! The only reason pokerstars hasn't been caught is because they operate on an island where certain strict laws don't apply to them and they use that too their advantage. Otherwise, the piece of crap site would have been shut down a loooong time ago. But of course pokerstars would never cheat the system. they already make enough. What the average joe like you may think is enough could very well be pocket change to the people running the site. Troll better kid, or maybe you're being serious... My bet is on troll though.

Last edited by bluewhat; 11-08-2010 at 06:01 PM.
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11-08-2010 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bluewhat
hahaha. I see you completely disregarded everything I said about a great example of an online site that deals with people's money in BILLIONS of dollars called paypal and they scam people all the time WITH TONS OF PROOF! The only reason pokerstars hasn't been caught is because they operate on an island where certain strict laws don't apply to them and they use that too their advantage. Otherwise, the piece of crap site would have been shut down a loooong time ago. But of course pokerstars would never cheat the system. they already make enough. What the average joe like you may think is enough could very well be pocket change to the people running the site. Troll better kid, or maybe you're being serious... My bet is on troll though.

All of your points are paranoid delusional thoughts and debating someone who is paranoid and delusional is a waste of time. I know you believe everything you say, but nothing you say is based on reality.

You never answered my question. Was the moon landing a fake? Was 9/11 a cover up? Note, these are all obvious trick questions to show the extent of your paranoia. Give greater details on the illuminati as well if you do not mind. The fact no other riggies are supporting you, even the ones that support anyone who says rigged is not a good sign by the way.

All the best.
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11-08-2010 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by bluewhat
hahaha. I see you completely disregarded everything I said about a great example of an online site that deals with people's money in BILLIONS of dollars called paypal and they scam people all the time WITH TONS OF PROOF! The only reason pokerstars hasn't been caught is because they operate on an island where certain strict laws don't apply to them and they use that too their advantage. Otherwise, the piece of crap site would have been shut down a loooong time ago. But of course pokerstars would never cheat the system. they already make enough. What the average joe like you may think is enough could very well be pocket change to the people running the site. Troll better kid, or maybe you're being serious... My bet is on troll though.
So basically your argument is that because you think PayPal scammed people, then every large corporation that is not regulated in the USA also scams people?

Monteroy is right. Paranoid and delusional.
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11-08-2010 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by bluewhat
The only reason pokerstars hasn't been caught is because they operate on an island where certain strict laws don't apply to them and they use that too their advantage. Otherwise, the piece of crap site would have been shut down a loooong time ago. But of course pokerstars would never cheat the system. they already make enough.
Exactly which laws don't apply on the Isle of Man?
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11-08-2010 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
All of your points are paranoid delusional thoughts and debating someone who is paranoid and delusional is a waste of time. I know you believe everything you say, but nothing you say is based on reality.

You never answered my question. Was the moon landing a fake? Was 9/11 a cover up? Note, these are all obvious trick questions to show the extent of your paranoia. Give greater details on the illuminati as well if you do not mind. The fact no other riggies are supporting you, even the ones that support anyone who says rigged is not a good sign by the way.

All the best.
orly? altogether 3550 people have voted. Out of that, over 1300 in this poll believe it's rigged. I could understand if that 1300 was reduced to about 500, but it's over 1300!!! They can't all be paranoid kid.

Wake up.
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11-08-2010 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt
So basically your argument is that because you think PayPal scammed people, then every large corporation that is not regulated in the USA also scams people?

Monteroy is right. Paranoid and delusional.
Why not just set up shop in the U.S? Why so far on an island thousands of miles away reaching out way to players way over here?

You also need to wake up kid.
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11-08-2010 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Resistance
Exactly which laws don't apply on the Isle of Man?
That's the problem with you people who don't think it's rigged. You don't wanna do any research. google is your best friend. find it yourself.
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11-08-2010 , 06:46 PM
To end this once and for all for the rigtards:
go download a poker simulation game like Poker Academy, play several tens of thousand of hands and I promise you'll see the same beats and suckouts as you see online or what you'd eventually see live.

or in before "Poker Academy is rigged!"
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11-08-2010 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by bluewhat
orly? altogether 3550 people have voted. Out of that, over 1300 in this poll believe it's rigged. I could understand if that 1300 was reduced to about 500, but it's over 1300!!! They can't all be paranoid kid.

Wake up.
The fact you don't realize why the poll attached to this thread should not be taken seriously speaks volumes. Hint: many rigtards in this thread have made about 5-6 accounts minimum, all of which have voted. 1300 individuals have not voted for it being rigged.

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Originally Posted by bluewhat
Why not just set up shop in the U.S? Why so far on an island thousands of miles away reaching out way to players way over here?

You also need to wake up kid.
Not everyone lives in the US you xenophobe.

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Originally Posted by bluewhat
That's the problem with you people who don't think it's rigged. You don't wanna do any research. google is your best friend. find it yourself.
Sorry, but proof of an unfair deal doesn't reside on Youtube or inside the mind of Mike Matusow's degen brother. Why do you disregard the analysis done on hundreds of millions of hands which indicate it isn't rigged, but believe some nutjob on the internet who claims to see patterns with their mind? Oh yeah, it's because you are a paranoid, delusional xenophobe.
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11-08-2010 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by bluewhat
That's the problem with you people who don't think it's rigged. You don't wanna do any research. google is your best friend. find it yourself.
In other words you don't know.

The burden of proof is on you because you're making the outlandish claims.

Come on, which laws?
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11-08-2010 , 06:51 PM
Only to a rigtard could the random ramblings of another idiot be considered "research", while a billion+ hand study is meaningless drivel.
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