Good point, well made

Everyone knows poker is 1% inspiration, 49% perspiration and 50% conspiration


Yeah, that thorough research must have taken all of 2 minutes. Don't bother using your hand histories to support what you're saying, just do a random scope search.

Or even better, just do what Fated does and wait for other people to post useless information and crackpot theories and congratulate them on their fine work.

The RNG has changed; it’s the same old scam that has stayed the same.
.
Our "Quantum Photon Shuffler" is essentially an unpredictable, scientifically- proven quantum-mechanical process inside a special, impregnable, 'hack-proof' “black box”.
All online casinos use an RNG, but not all RNGs are the same. Of course, for security reasons, we can’t tell you exactly how ours works; but we can give you an idea:
1. At the start of every game, the table asks for a freshly shuffled deck.
2. The Shuffler requests a clean set of random data from the RNG.
3. The RNG generates purely random data using the simple yet highly reliable and secure mathematical representation of the statistically random behavior of photons (particles of light) when fired through a half-mirror – or a mirror which allows only 50% of all light to be reflected while the other 50% passes through. As it is impossible to tell whether a photon will pass through or be reflected, the resulting data is a totally random string of ones and zeros, or binary code.
4. Just to be sure, the Shuffler monitors the output of the RNG for randomness.
5. If the data is clean, the string of code is translated into a freshly shuffled deck.
6. This process is repeated again on the shuffled deck - i.e. a double shuffle.
7. The cards are then sent along a secure, encrypted line to the table – a freshly double-shuffled deck.
8. Before each card is dealt out, a re-shuffle of the remaining cards takes place. This means that each dealt card has been randomly drawn from a freshly reshuffled deck, each and every time.
9. And so on, until the game is over and the next one begins. This process of continuous shuffling is a measure of added protection to ensure the highest level of randomness and security that can be obtained.
A unique system:
• It is impossible for player actions to influence the cards.
• It is impossible to predict future cards.
• As all the shuffled data is sent along a secure, encrypted line, it is impossible to intercept card data
• Hole cards are only visible to the players that hold them. Even our floor manager cannot see what you are holding until the game is finished.
• The design is simple and therefore failsafe.
• The “black box” shuffler is itself set within a totally secure system.
o The only thing which can enter our shuffler is a secure, coded request for a freshly shuffled deck of cards.
o The only thing which can come out of our shuffler is a shuffled deck of cards.
.
.
'hack-proof' “black box”….this hack proof black box actually slots onto the motherboard of a home computer, and costs about $2500
.
Our "Quantum Photon Shuffler"….not quite right the quantum RNG only provides streams of 1 and 0
.
We can’t tell you exactly how ours works;…….yes you can, anyone can google up quantum RNG and know exactly how it works, it is your software that actually deals the cards that’s secret.
.
This process is repeated again on the shuffled deck - i.e. a double shuffle……no that is imposable the quantum RNG only produces streams of 1 and 0, if a second shuffle does take place it can only happen with your software.
.
Before each card is dealt out, a re-shuffle of the remaining cards takes place….now let me get this right the quantum RNG produces a string of 1 and 0, your software turns this into a deck of cards. Then reshuffles the deck, why? It is then sent to the table, the hole cards are dealt, and the remaining cards are reshuffles, why?.... Don’t you trust the quantum RNG maybe it is a bit to random for you.

It is improbable that it is variance, if a group of people who play under separate accounts independently of each other all think that Pokerstars at the micro level has gone to the dogs. I am sort of interested to know.... has Pokerstars dumped Melbourne University and Singapore In favor of Sydney? If so Why? No news, reported!

cheers,

Of course you have HHs and have compiled the stats for these players showing these improbablities right? Didn't think so, in before muppet jpg.

But it not rigged against the other winning players who keep track of their hands and know how to check the stats. Curious.

I can't keep up with all the muppets right now.

I never quite understand this reply.
Yes I have hand histories.
Yes I could post them in this forum, if I wanted to post them in the forum. But like many people say what does it prove? or disprove?

I am not saying Pokerstars is rigged. I am saying that from my personal perspective and from the perspective of other independent players that I know in my part of the world, micro stakes at Pokerstars has gone to the dogs. I don't know the reasons why this is the case, maybe the games at the micro stakes have advanced in leaps and bounds. Who knows what the real reasons are?

But compared to 2007, 2008 and 2009 it looks like 2010 is going to be personally an epic fail on the site for myself and other people I know.

cheers,

They all play on Entraction where they lose to quantum torpedo technology. Except those who have never heard of the Entraction network.

In the end everyone "looses," though many do it while writing like a bad poet.

But at least the dogs are making money?

I'm not gonna waste my time in analysing hand histories to try to prove is rigged because I don't win nothing for it. I only said it's VERY VERY WEIRD what happens in that network. Yeah I know it's totally standard to have 6 points of difference between expected EV and real EV in 5,000 sits, but the fact is that is not just me. No reg has positive ROI and it's not that you play few sits because you can easily play more than 5,000 a month if you want in 30s and 50s€ levels. I simply say it's STRANGE that nobody wins. How can it be possible that there's so many people playing but incredibly nobody is winning?? Why there aren't HU regs to take advantage of the fishes? Why in the whole winning list of sharkscope there's no winning reg of sits of 30 or 50€?? There's something WEIRD on it, I just say this. You can try it if you want, as I told you you can easily have 80% rakeback first month, so check it out. Why not take advantage of a site where you can have 80% rakeback?....

lol

Out of the mouths of babes...

Yeah, pretty compelling evidence, "A small site doesn't have much SNG traffic!"

Wow. Shocking!

Maybe you've have heard of Microgaming?



Or what about the Swedish government run site, SvenskaSpel? You're one of those "government regulation will cure cancer" guys, aren't you? Well, except I'm sure you think "Sweden" is some third world banana republic...




And here's the list from pokerscout.com so you can see I'm comparing similar size sites:



(Yeah, I've cherry-picked a little as some of the other similar sized sites have considerably more SNG traffic. However pokerscout ranks by cash players so considerable variance in SNG traffic among similarly ranked sites should be no surprise).

But in Entraction there's no small sit'n'go traffic. I'm gonna show the statistics of the "sit'n'go leaderboard" top10 players of this month:



So as I can see here only 2 guys, of the 10 that played more sits this month (I only checked the leaderboard of 50+ sits) are in positive. And if you check the whole statistics of all months only the "reggae_man" stays in positive (with 2% basically because of this "reggae_man 500 $12 $71 17% $6.122 - N/A Entraction Last500 SNG Only x")

These guys are playing every month there, you can check the results of lasts months leaderboards, and in the whole year no winning reg appeared or stayed to take advantage of these "fishes"??? Best rakeback of internet poker sites and plenty of fish regs, why no sharks comes or stays??

Something is weird here, I just say this.

I'm not familiar with the rewards system of the Entraction network, but perhaps what is at work here is something similar to the ipoker network where some players (or team of players or bots) play a huge amount of volume at below break even level simply to win rake races which on top of rakeback and other promotions makes it net very profitable even if their scope shows a negative.

This is hardly "weird," instead it is a system being utilized by people who identify the best approach to make money within a system. The fact that you and many others can't put those pieces together is partially why the people who do can do as well as they do even while they seem to be losing.

Whether this is good or not for the games and industry is definitely a point that can be debated, but this seems to have nothing to do with whether the deal is rigged or not which is what this thread is about. Frankly I am not even sure you are even suggesting a rigged deal with your observations, you just seem generally confused.

ever considered that the top 10 for a given month isnt a good indication of the top 10 overall players at a given game? or is that just far beyond any reasoning you could conjure up in that brain of yours?

Waste your time? It would take less time to produce some data proving what you're claiming than to make the lengthy rambling posts you've made. I would be considered on the "shill" side of the debate but would still gleefully spend hours providing proof if I "knew" this was happening.

You "win" the appreciation of your fellow poker players by stopping the fraud and you win an apology from the people belittling you in this thread. Not worth your time? Then I believe money has been offered in this thread to anyone who can provide proof of what you're claiming, though it may not apply to Entraction and I can't be bothered to find the offer.

No thanks, I don't play on dodgy little rigged sites


Edit: By prove what you're claiming I mean the implication that the software steals equity from "sharks" and gives it to "fish", presumably by manipulating the deal

This author states that poker site programming algorithms are set up to prevent collusion. The unfortunate side effect is that the odds are not the same as a live game. This could be why people are feeling like online poker is rigged.

DonkoTheClown

Perhaps you didn't realize that is a promo for one of those $30 "crack the code" scam sites selling fool's gold, with the link at the bottom of the article. Sorry, I've reported it to get it removed. Don't send idiots to scams. It looks like the same guy that's been doing the "Poker Stars Cracked", "Party Poker Cracked" etc scams for years.

LOL!
I have seen those before. You are right.

What ??

Update:

We've pretty much finished going over June, July, and August. Currently working on March, April, May. The main hang-up right now is just computer running time, and we've made some solid progress there.

I'm sick of giving time estimates on this thing, but I think you guys deserve it anyway. We hope to be done by mid November.

this guy cracked the code http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...43/index5.html

Josem got on 60 Minutes and a career at PokerStars. Presumably Stars didn't just hire him based on that, rather on his overall awesomeness, however it should be pretty clear that anyone taking down a site can parlay that into cash through a number of means - The guys who cracked Planet Poker's RNG founded Cigital and have presumably done pretty well with that. In addition, we just saw PTR jumping into the fray and soaking up the publicity a couple months ago when some bots were exposed on Stars. If you don't want to do the heavy lifting surely there's a results website that could use the headlines...

So yes, even if your motivation is entirely mercenary you can "win something" by exposing crooked sites.

You have a bit of a moving goal post problem here. You post the sharkscope leaderboard as if it's some smoking gun. So when I show that it's not really notable at all compared to other sites you come up with something new that also may or may not be significant. Entraction is a relatively small, Euro-only site. There probably aren't a lot of full time regs, rather likely a lot bonus whores who switch between skins and other networks. Compare the number of games played by the Entraction Shakscope leaderboard players to Stars and FTP regs - Nobody has more than 15K tournaments and most have less than 10K.



Sure it's entirely possible you're on to something but it's very unlikely and you're a long way from being justified in accusing anyone of anything (that's obviously never stopped anyone before).

If I've mistaken you for one of our resident xenophobes and you're not, I apologize. It's hard sometimes to tell the Kermits from the Elmos...

Link?

Show a bit of respect mate.

I'm not sat insulting you, so there's no need for you to insult me.