Ya, no way that UB would cheat their customers.

How exactly do you cheat people at play money? Cheat them out of their time?

Then the guy said since the play money tables seemed rigged he'd have to make a deposit and play real money. Use your head bucketfoot instead of becoming a fanboy of every rigtard who posts in this thread (although in this case it seems you are defending a gimmick).

LOL @ the UB cheating post I got the joke :P

I dont know what you mean by "this has to be a gimmick" I dont know why it matters that much to have good action at play money tables, I'm just telling you from my observations at those tables I see a LOT of premium hands thrown around, I will look at my hand history, but I really did get Quad K's after sitting down at play money tables for the first time in years. And I was rolling my eyes at it because that is just not random, its as if they are trying to entice you into moving to real money.

Of course the action at play money tables is ridiculous and there are a ton of suckouts, Im not talking about this, I am simply saying I observed too many premium hands in too short a time, I thought it was a weighted deck, and I am fine with it at play money because its fun.

At the actual tables, its as normal as can be, I play SNGs and I have had a couple suckouts, and sucked out on others, but nothing would make me believe it was rigged, just random luck and not very often.

How many is "too many" for a sample size that small? This is an important question to answer.

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No one on either side can prove it. It's similar to religion. No proof but 90% of America is Bible bashing, in the UK it's probably 90% non believing. They can argue all day and neither will be persuaded otherwise.

Could very rich companies earning £100's of millions ever get up to shady business? No, of course they couldn't, who would think such a thing.

You're making a big error in logic (but you aren't alone). It isn't possible to prove that any poker site is NOT rigged, and will never be possible. But it's very straightforward to find evidence that a site IS rigged. I've not seen any.

Are you familiar with the term "black swan"? It only took one sighting to prove they exist, but before having seen one, it was impossible to prove they do not exist. That's how it is with poker sites.

Having access to each player's hole cards would be positive step in proving everything is legit.
The fact that they hide this data should be cause for concern.

Just a hitchiker at heart I see.

The flaw in this reasoning is they aren't risking anything because they can't get caught in the current online world and if it is discovered something is amiss nothing happens. If you were allowed to go to Sears and seal tools all day without getting caught you would be there all the time and PS and FT engage in this behavior.

Would you like them before the flop or after?

The fact that they do not reveal them except in the prescribed circumstances is in line with the wishes of most players. It would be a completely different game if all hole cards were to become known at the end of play.

As it is, each player can test his or her own hands and that's enough to ensure the sites are not up to something nefarious.

Add to that that there are far easier and less detectable ways for them to make money dishonestly and that's good enough for those who are not suffering from donk paranoia.

State incorrectly that it cant be proven either way then sarcastically imply that it is obviously happening. Pathetic. Forget about "proving" it, you people cant even provide solid data that would give you reason to be suspicious. BTW, cherry picked bad beat stories aren't solid data.

If you mean steal then I certainly wouldn't spend all day stealing just because I could get away with it. We have already established that you must be a scumbag and should stop judging the rest of the world by your low standards.

Are you really this stupid or are you trying to win a bet?

Apart from the fact that it would be all over the poker forums and the majority of their player base would evaporate they would also probably lose their licence and have to take up with the KGC (although since their credibility would already be ~ nil that wouldn't be such a hardship).

They really would have slaughtered the goose that laid the golden egg.

No, you would be there all the time because you are an unprincipled douche. Which helps to explain why you just cannot imagine anyone else passing up the chance to act like a douche.

It's people like you who give scumbags a bad name.

wrong

Not that I'm really surprised, but you're still a muppet.

Apparently he's been taking time off from the forums to pursue a degree in advanced muppetry at the University of Sesame.

Not as much concern as if they showed everyone my hole cards.

Keep telling yourself that idiot. Of course many would be there stealing. It is only law enforcement and the repercussions that keep people from engaging in unlawful behavior. Your telling me these sites aren't playing with the outcomes to pad their bottom line? Of course they are. Nobody can do anything to them and until the US does what has to be done they will go on doing it.

Ummmm no. The reason you have the opinions you do is because you are probably a horrible person. Don't paint everyone else with the same brush.

EDIT: and also STILL don't know how to use the quote function properly. Genius.

Anyone with that avatar and that name must be an idiot. Grade A dumb ass!

You need to add one more "ban" to the beginning of your name.

If you want to believe that these sites regulate themselves properly go right ahead tho much has been seen that proves otherwise. It's ok that is all coming to an end very soon.

You're worse than a Jehovah's Witness preaching the end of days.

When oh when dear bop will that day cometh?

Even though there is a grain of partial truth to this, the emphatic statement ("it is only") speaks volumes about your personal character and your worldview.

(still wrong)