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09-19-2010 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Cruzincat
Aren't we all getting tired of watching these hands unfold?
No. That would mean you are tired of playing poker, period.
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09-19-2010 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Cruzincat
Straight
Out
Of
Nowhere
cruz, start looking at some odds before you even begin to think of posting a hand like that in here,
imho
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09-19-2010 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Cruzincat
Aren't we all getting tired of watching these hands unfold?
If you are tired of these hands perhaps you should stop letting yourself get blinded away waiting for the very hands which you believe the system is rigged against? It's just common sense right?

You might also want to consider not playing FPP tournaments, reading the strategy forums or quiting poker altogether.
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09-19-2010 , 03:58 PM
Or I like when you push with AA and KQ calls you as the second chip leader and of course flop a K and river a K. The system protects the donks that overplay KQ and the weak ace all day long. It is these players that make up half or more of the player base and they have to be protected from busting out. You will see a huge difference once sites are going to have to be based on US land or not get a license.
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09-19-2010 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
You will see a huge difference once sites are going to have to be based on US land...
really?
what i dont get here,
is how you have a 1,000+ post count
and no, i am not minded to check through them and see
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09-19-2010 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Cruzincat
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PokerStars Game #49847269880: Tournament #305281868, 130FPP Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2010/09/19 9:49:24 ET
Table '305281868 20' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Holy cow, they even rig the FPP tournaments?!?!?
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09-19-2010 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
Or I like when you push with AA and KQ calls you as the second chip leader and of course flop a K and river a K. The system protects the donks that overplay KQ and the weak ace all day long. It is these players that make up half or more of the player base and they have to be protected from busting out. You will see a huge difference once sites are going to have to be based on US land or not get a license.
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09-19-2010 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Wait, the table cards contain 6,7,8 and 9 and you're surprised someone has a straight?

WTF?
Gee Wiki. You had me going for a moment. I was sure we were allin before the flop and darn, after looking at the HH again I see we were. So what is your point? I am not that ****ing bad.
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09-19-2010 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
No. That would mean you are tired of playing poker, period.
QFT My BR is very close to the beginning of a long run of Starcraft II.
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09-19-2010 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Bingo_Boy
If you are tired of these hands perhaps you should stop letting yourself get blinded away waiting for the very hands which you believe the system is rigged against? It's just common sense right?

You might also want to consider not playing FPP tournaments, reading the strategy forums or quiting poker altogether.
Good call since you have only seen one hand out of a whole tournament I have played. What do you base that statement on? Data? Source? Bring it on.
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09-19-2010 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Cruzincat
So what is your point?
his point is... oh, why bother?
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Originally Posted by Cruzincat
I am not that ****ing bad.
at what?
posting the hand above here is pretty bad
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09-19-2010 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Cruzincat
Good call since you have only seen one hand out of a whole tournament I have played. What do you base that statement on? Data? Source? Bring it on.
I'll save you time. They are mainly posting variations of "why did you bother posting this?"

To help explain you need to make your reasoning clear and choose one

1) This single hand proves its rigged

2) Wah, wah I got bad beat in a 130 FPP tournament and I want to vent hoping someone will appreciate my loss

3) Other - you fill in the blanks if this is your choice. I recommend Lizard People.


Also, after checking your sharkscope graph I suggest you invent time travel so you can tell yourself to quit at game 1000. You can actually probably post your graph in this thread

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...-graphs-61228/

as it is comical enough to be worthy of that thread.

Hope this helped.

Good luck in Starcraft.
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09-19-2010 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Gordias
Here’s an interesting series of posts on another poker forum that my fellow riggies might be interested in.

[...]

Enjoy: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ed-151630.html
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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
[...]He makes a lot of sense[...]
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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker
Or I like when you push with AA and KQ calls you as the second chip leader and of course flop a K and river a K. The system protects the donks that overplay KQ and the weak ace all day long. It is these players that make up half or more of the player base and they have to be protected from busting out. You will see a huge difference once sites are going to have to be based on US land or not get a license.
What you just posted goes completely against the "evidence" Gordias posted that you said "makes a lot of sense" and we're supposed to trust your word?
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09-19-2010 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
What you just posted goes completely against the "evidence" Gordias posted that you said "makes a lot of sense" and we're supposed to trust your word?


He even latched onto the OP in this gem of a thread by taking the weird bots claim seriously with his reply.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...rstars-879453/

Pretty sure anyone can start any thread that is against Pokerstars, Tilt and democrats and he will rush in with support without really caring who he is supporting.

Ways of a zealot , nothing more. Picking apart their logic is kind of pointless. They don't use it.
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09-19-2010 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Picking apart their logic is kind of pointless. They don't use it.
yup

kinda the problem when issuing up with a rigtard

their lack of logic doesn't ever stop them posting away though
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09-19-2010 , 08:32 PM
Something occurred to me. I'm not saying it happens, it just got me wondering.

As all hands on regular tables can be tracked you can be pretty certain that the deck isn't rigged to produce larger pots through coolers and increase rake for the site. A statistical anomoly would soon show up over a large sample and if this did happens someone would have popped up with proof by now.

However, how do we know this doesn't happen on tables where the hands can't be tracked such as Rush poker on Full Tilt?
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09-19-2010 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by restless_native
However, how do we know this doesn't happen on tables where the hands can't be tracked such as Rush poker on Full Tilt?
You can track hands in rush poker.
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09-19-2010 , 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
You can track hands in rush poker.
Only your own.
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09-20-2010 , 12:10 AM
No idea who OP is, nor do I much care if someone hates on Stars, but when they make a request like this:

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Originally Posted by p.stars-is-rigged
P.S. mods you can keep banning my accounts
I feel obliged to grant their wish.

In before merge.

Edit to add: In after merge.
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09-20-2010 , 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Bingo_Boy
If you are tired of these hands perhaps you should stop letting yourself get blinded away waiting for the very hands which you believe the system is rigged against? It's just common sense right?

You might also want to consider not playing FPP tournaments, reading the strategy forums or quiting poker altogether.
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Originally Posted by Cruzincat
Good call since you have only seen one hand out of a whole tournament I have played. What do you base that statement on? Data? Source? Bring it on.
I assume this rant is related to paragraph 1. My assumption that you let yourself get blinded down is based on the fact you are probably a bad player and/or stupid to post this hand here thinking it has any relevance whatsoever (as supported by someone Scoping you).

To have such a small stack you probably:
a) Just lost a big all-in pot with the best hand
b) Just lost a big all-in pot with a worst hand
c) Dribbled your chips away like a donk
d) Have been getting blinded away waiting for a big hand

It isn't a) or you would have posted that hand as well. If it was b) or c) you should (based on your own theory) have been helped with your all ins as you are the donk (as apparently supported by your Scope graph, which I haven't checked myself). So, based on what you have told us, I proposed it was d) but feel free to zip your hand history and upload it somewhere to prove me wrong. I will be surprised if your decisions in any way reflect your "beliefs" of how the deal works.

The second paragraph, which I don't think you argued with, is sound advice.
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09-20-2010 , 07:28 AM
A few hands before, when I had about 11 BBs I got it allin with AK vs 44 and the other guy spiked a 4. I am not going to post a hh for the tournanment here because I have seen no indication that anyone here is capable of constructive criticism.

And as far as Sharkscope is concerned, I do not know how to get a chart from them so I have no idea what it looks like either.

You see, the problem with most of the players here is, they take poker way more serious than most players. Many are trying to make a living at it. I would like to be able to myself, but I also realize that if I did I probably wouldn't be enjoying the experience. I make pretty good money at my regular job and I enjoy it, so poker does not have as big a draw for me.

So, people like me play enough to get upset at the constant bad beats that seem to follow a pattern and make comments about it, only to get derided by the folks here. Thanks for tapping on my glass. I get the picture.

Oh, BTW. Maybe the reason I play FPP SATs is that my BR is small but my FPP balance is high and I am trying to use it? OMG, what a revelation! Who would have thought?

Last edited by Cruzincat; 09-20-2010 at 07:38 AM.
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09-20-2010 , 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Cruzincat
A few hands before, when I had about 11 BBs I got it allin with AK vs 44 and the other guy spiked a 4. I am not going to post a hh for the tournanment here because I have seen no indication that anyone here is capable of constructive criticism.
Translation: "I'm not going to post it here because I know that when it's examined by people who understand these things it won't indicate what I've convinced myself it indicates."

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And as far as Sharkscope is concerned, I do not know how to get a chart from them so I have no idea what it looks like either.
Being constructive here: Would it not make a lot of sense to learn how to use the tools available to you so that you would not infer erroneous information from the limited analytical ability you possess?

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You see, the problem with most of the players here is, they take poker way more serious than most players.
Exactly. And that means they take the trouble to find things out and analyse data. If you want to communicate on the same level you have to do likewise.

You wouldn't go to a doctor and, when s/he told you something you didn't want to hear, whine about the fact that s/he took medicine a lot more seriously than you - would you?

So why do that here?

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So, people like me play enough to get upset at the constant bad beats that seem to follow a pattern and make comments about it, only to get derided by the folks here.
What you need to understand is that poker is a game of constant bad beats. If it wasn't the good players would wipe the floor with the bad players and the bad players would all leave the game - or only play against players they knew to worse than themselves.
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09-20-2010 , 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
What you need to understand is that poker is a game of constant bad beats.
take out the 'we'
put in 'every rigtard'
add an 's' to need,

and the thread can finally rest at ease after xxxx pages
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09-20-2010 , 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by TvSa
take out the 'we'
put in 'every rigtard'
add an 's' to need,

and the thread can finally rest at ease after xxxx pages
OK:


What every rigtard needs to understand is that poker is a game of constant bad beats.


[/THREAD] (As if! )
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09-20-2010 , 07:56 AM
dear mike and others

time to put closed thread on here?
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