The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition - Page 1028 - Internet Poker

It's true though. I mean come on if there was anything legitimate about these stupid things people posted on youtube and the made up "former software engineers", don't you think these people would present their info scientifically and blow the cover off of the scandal? People will look to anything to support their viewpoint and treat it as legitimate while ignoring every single scientific approach of attacking a problem.

Oh I agree, the hands were cherry picked and the whole thing was edited together.

I was just in the mood to spout off. If there is going to be some berating of corntards here, lets at least get creative. Time for new material. I will help with that in the future when my insult jazz box gets back from the repair shop.

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09-15-2010 , 11:04 PM

#25677

DonkoTheClown

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Originally Posted by buzzpaff

I was listening to a podcast of a radio poker show. The moderators, 2 male and 1 female, were discussing "ghosting". The final conclusion was that this was not cheating. One factor they used was that you were playing poker and who the opponent was should not matter. To prove their point they also asseted that if you asked the name players in the game today, at least 5%
would admit they had played under someone else's account at least once.
And these idiots think they are promoting poker. No wonder so many people believe on-line poker is crooked. As for ghosting, if you do not consider this cheating, then you must believe there is ABSOLUTELY no skill involved in poker. Making it akin to bingo, and ghosting just passing your dabber to someonse to mark you bingo card.

Dear Buzzpaff,

This is "The great poker is rigged debate thread". Please take your tights and your corn cob pipe to the "Buzzpaff containment thread" for your free spanking and six pack of fig newton flavored chapstick.

Sincerely,

DonkoTheClown

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09-15-2010 , 11:12 PM

#25678

Bobo Fett

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Originally Posted by DonkoTheClown

He actually started a thread, but it was merged here for some reason.

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09-15-2010 , 11:20 PM

#25679

KAVILLA

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Originally Posted by bigjames881

Was browsing youtube and stumbled on this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Whc9...eature=related

This dudes videos are insane!

Your thoughts?

loved it...those beats happen to me about every other hand i cant help but feel his pain.

doesn't mean its rigged of course

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09-15-2010 , 11:22 PM

#25680

DonkoTheClown

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

He actually started a thread, but it was merged here for some reason.

Looks like this has become the 2+2 recycle bin. Is this thread in the book of world records yet? I think this is what you guys are trying to do. I will help with more spouting about.

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09-16-2010 , 01:02 AM

#25681

sewhog

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Originally Posted by KAVILLA

is anyone in this thread willing to review massive hand histories if i send them....particularly tournament play, i am getting to the point where my sample size may be large enough to provide real results...i don't care whether you think its rigged or not, and i'm not saying it is.

anyone?

All depends what you are looking for. If all you want is to check when you are 75% ahead and that you are actually winning at 75%, fairly simple.
Go through your history pull out, only, all in hands. Divide them into two groups, ahead and behind, ahead hands are on average between 68% and 75%.
You only need100 samples if they are not in this 68% to 75% range, needs further investigation.

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09-16-2010 , 01:42 AM

#25682

KingOfFelt

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Originally Posted by KAVILLA

loved it...those beats happen to me about every other hand i cant help but feel his pain.

doesn't mean its rigged of course

No they aren't. Why are you lying?

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09-16-2010 , 03:51 AM

#25683

Wiki

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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt

Yeah, I think you'd fit right in there.

Cook a bigger pie?

Those 470 degree pies taste good!

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09-16-2010 , 03:55 AM

#25684

Wiki

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Originally Posted by KAVILLA

loved it...those beats happen to me about every other hand

About every other hand?

Are you sure.

If you can provide certified hand histories that show that is really the then it most certainly is rigged.

So just provide the hands, blow the whole thing wide open, and enjoy your new status as a hero rather than wallowing in your current one of whining idiot.

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09-16-2010 , 08:22 AM

#25685

sewhog

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Originally Posted by KAVILLA

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09-16-2010 , 08:26 AM

#25686

TvSa

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K, you are not faring well imho,
is there more arsenal in your weaponry?

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09-16-2010 , 02:03 PM

#25687

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Can anyone explain to me how variance works? It is obviously a mathematical wonder as one day you hit every draw and suck out on every pair v pair. The very next day you can't hit a draw and every pair that goes in in front comes out behind by the river. So variance must work in daily cycles, a true mathematical wonder!!! I just wonder how over a sample size of 123,456 hands this month I can be running $506 below ev on my all ins playing 10c-25c & a couple of sessions at 25c-50c. Is my sample size not big enough?

I have HEM before any shills ask me if I just made these figures up. I can obv post the screen cap if anyone doubts it!!!

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09-16-2010 , 02:11 PM

#25688

Cry Me A River

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CoTW: Why all-in-EV is a horrible measure of overall luck

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09-16-2010 , 02:41 PM

#25689

fix9

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That doesn't answer the question as why variance comes in day sized chunks!

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09-16-2010 , 02:50 PM

#25690

KingOfFelt

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Originally Posted by fix9

That doesn't answer the question as why variance comes in day sized chunks!

You are exaggerating that some days every one of your draws hits. Obviously, some days are better than others, but if you were to flip a coin 10000 times in a day, one day it would be more heads and another it could be more tails. Doesn't mean the coin is rigged.

The reason you think variance comes in day time chunks is because that is how you are measuring your success, in segments of days.

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09-16-2010 , 02:50 PM

#25691

Cry Me A River

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Originally Posted by fix9

That doesn't answer the question as why variance comes in day sized chunks!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_bias

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09-16-2010 , 02:50 PM

#25692

bigjames881

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ATTENTION! EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES POKERSTARS IS RIGGED LOOK AT THIS VIDEO!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Whc9...eature=related

This dudes videos are all the proof you need!

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09-16-2010 , 02:53 PM

#25693

bigjames881

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ATTENTION! EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES POKERSTARS IS RIGGED LOOK AT THIS VIDEO!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Whc9...eature=related

This dudes videos are all the proof you need!

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09-16-2010 , 02:54 PM

#25694

KingOfFelt

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Originally Posted by bigjames881

ATTENTION! EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES POKERSTARS IS RIGGED I CAN'T POST A LINK!

FAIL LINK

This dudes videos are all the proof you need!

Need some help posting a proper link?

Last edited by KingOfFelt; 09-16-2010 at 02:55 PM. Reason: fyp

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09-16-2010 , 03:10 PM

#25695

fix9

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Originally Posted by KingOfFelt

I don't measure it in day segments that's just how it is. I play the same style on rush day in day out as it's a profitable one. How can it suddenly be that a profitable style becomes unprofitable just because you can't get a hand to hold.

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09-16-2010 , 03:18 PM

#25696

KingOfFelt

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Originally Posted by fix9

Do you expect to get only good cards day in and day out? Some days are better than others. Go back to the coin example, some days you'll flip a lot more heads than tails and others you'll flip more tails than heads. You wouldn't question that the coin was rigged because of this would you?

Also, I'm fairly confident that you are not as good at poker as you think you are.

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09-16-2010 , 03:23 PM

#25697

Wiki

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Originally Posted by fix9

I don't measure it in day segments that's just how it is.

If you don't measure it like that, how can you know that's how it is?

Serious question.

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09-16-2010 , 03:25 PM

#25698

LVGambler

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Originally Posted by fix9

Can anyone explain to me how variance works? It is obviously a mathematical wonder as one day you hit every draw and suck out on every pair v pair. The very next day you can't hit a draw and every pair that goes in in front comes out behind by the river. So variance must work in daily cycles, a true mathematical wonder!!! I just wonder how over a sample size of 123,456 hands this month I can be running $506 below ev on my all ins playing 10c-25c & a couple of sessions at 25c-50c. Is my sample size not big enough?

I have HEM before any shills ask me if I just made these figures up. I can obv post the screen cap if anyone doubts it!!!

It's like the weather. It's a mystery and it's always changing. But, like everything else, it averages out in the end.