Shucks!

We've been rumbled.

work is work,
so some people make a buck,
its no biggie need to leave some of the fun for you ota,
cant be too greedy can i?
there were a few prime candidates on there were there not

I have a question and maybe someone will be able to answer it. I have been playing online poker for approx 5-6 years. I do well and I am a winning player, so no complaints there. But how come every time I cash-out I go on this really weird losing streak? It's odd because I've probably made hundreds of cash-out transactions and each and every time, I start taking these really off the chart beats. Does anyone know what this is? At first I thought oh well it's just variance but after years of this happening every time, I find it quite odd.

Thanks.

*facepalm*

i could not agree with you more. i think online poker is absolutely rigged. how can anyone deny this after the scandals that happened? my belief is this, most people want to believe everyone is on the level, but it simply is not true.

i have been busted out of countless tourneys on 2 or 3 outers.
i know it will happen from time to time and obviously it happens both online and live, but far more often online.

my brother has been an online pro for between 6 and 8 years, and he is absolutely convinced it is rigged too. i have played mainly on party poker(when it allowed US players and i feel that this actually was the site that was not rigged at least at that point in time. now i could not say), FTP and stars. i feel that stars is blatantly rigged and so is ftp. i have sent both of these sites many emails explaining my feelings toward their sites, and guess what happened? i get a response from some moron who has never played a hand of poker in his life, trying to tell me about bad beats. i understand bad beats happen, but they should not happen with the frequency they do.

guess what happened after i complained their site was rigged? the next day i ran perfectly!! maybe even the next 2 days, but after that right back to 3 outer after 3 outer after 2 outer after 2 outer. obviously i won some of these hands but not nearly as many as i should have.

i am also convinced that in internet poker 2 overcards is at least a 60% to win over a pair.

*double facepalm*

Not really sure what's up with the trolling facepalm responses but it was a serious question. I don't think it's rigged, it was a serious question

There's nothing that can be said to you, therefore *facepalm* is the best I can do. This is one of the standard riggie theories that comes up every now and then.

Honest response? You have selective memory, or perhaps you're worried about it happening and play a suboptimal game. Surely not the responses you're looking for. If you don't think it's rigged, you very likely wouldn't be asking the question (especially in the rigged thread).

Explain why you cash out then? You know.. knowing what's in store for you.


There's a great quote from Einstein, but I forget how it goes exactly. Something like "You're an ass hole if you expect different results when you're always doing the same stupid sht." (something like that)

Well I saw someone ask the same kind of thing and it got merged here awhile ago but there were no responses. So why bother creating a new thread that will just likely get merged. If I thought it was rigged, I would say so. Simple as that.

The poster above me - well if I want the money I have won, how exactly do you go about getting that money without cashing out? You pretty much have no choice, no?

As an experiment, you should see if the same thing happens when you transfer money. Transfer the money to a trusted friend.. play on.. and see what happens. If you don't go on one of those "Oh ****, I cashed out! Doom time!" bad streaks, well then.. there you go.

But besides that, the real reason that question won't get many serious replies is because there is one MAJOR problem with it..

It represents an exploitable pattern. One that would've been exploited by now if it were legit. Hint: it's not legit


Hint: I'd drop it before more facepalming comes your way. Just sayin.









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It would be interesting to see a graph of your profit/loss with markers where you cashed out. Because if you lost "each and every time" you withdrew, over hundreds of transactions, that's the sort of data could expose a rigged deal.

Are you willing to have all of your hand histories analyzed to expose riggedness. Or are you part of the cover-up too?????

+1

This was the very post I was going to make.

Whilst it's hard to understand why someone thinks anyone could give an answer to the question posed, other than selective memory or that the deal is rigged, I'd like to see the graph because if what's being said is true (although how we could know that someone didn't just take a perfectly normal graph and place 'withdrew' marks every time theres a perfectly normal downswing, I don't know).


ETA: There is one further possibility - that when you have a smaller roll on line you play worse. If you are genuine and an accurate graph demonstrates what you claim it demonstrates it's either that or the deal is rigged.

i am a poker beginner and often read this site for advice.
at first i KNEW online poker was rigged because I couldn't win...

then i started visiting some sites, reading a few things, and learning more.
all of the sudden it came clear I just sucked and made bad mistakes.
after learning more things are slowly starting to change now.

the best part of this thread is that all posters with < 25 post KNOW it is rigged,
not matter what the > 10,000 post users (and obv. experieced players) have to say.

i bet the people who know it is rigged are the same people who lose at video games,
because they always seem to get the "bad controller"

+1

care to share the scandals?

Shock horror. How would you like to get busted out? If you want to "deservedly" be busted you need to start getting your money in bad more often. How often should you be getting busted and how often are you getting busted?

Or do you simply expect to cash far more often that you actually deserve to and have a complete misunderstanding of the mathematics of a tournament?

I bet he is less of a moron than you and I wouldn't be surprised if he'd played more poker than you. What frequency should bad beats happen? What frequency are they happening to you? Why do rigtards never have this information so we can destroy these evil corporations?


Thats funny because other rigtards claim to get the megadoomswitch when they complain so I don't know what you are trying to imply.

Should be extremely easy to prove. Off you go.



Obviously if there is a significant bad run after a significant percentage of cashouts it would be suspicious and one of the maths guys will be able to work out just how significant it is. However, wouldnt we expect to see some kind of pattern because the casual player is unlikely to cashout after a bad run and more likely to cashout after a good run?

I appreciate that it would probably be wrong to say we expect bad runs after cashouts because previous luck should be independent from future luck but if you were to graph a casual players bankroll you would usually expect cashouts during an upward trend or at a peak rather than during a downward trend or in a trough? The upward and downward trends should be random but the cashouts are not.

Excellent point.

Although it would not explain a genuine 'every time I cash out I run bad' over hundreds of cash outs but it would certainly explain some skewing of the results.

If you don't usually get knocked out of a tournament when you put the money in with the best hand, then you are doing it wrong.

Actually, I am not sure this is true, though I am not even sure how one would go about figuring it out.

If one is playing properly then one will be doing a lot of plays using fold equity as the weapon (8 BB shoves, squeeze plays, semi bluff shoves etc) where when called you are actually behind. Add in some coolers when deep (set vs set) and one may have a case for the counter side of this.


Ironically, a lot of the riggies are likely like the type I used to see in the crypto tourneys who would literally play no hands for a long time then find themselves with 1/3 an average stack and 7-9 BBs well before the cash bubble, shove AK or 77 , lose a coin flip or as a favorite and then think it was rigged.

They just played badly by never accumulating chips which forced them to win multiple all ins preflop eventually. Add in some selective memory and because they "always got it in good" - voila, a riggie is born.

QED
A fully playable stack size is not shoving or calling with junk. I'd make an exception to my statement for second place. But not for the bubble area.

Riggie: It happens every time I cash out
Shill: Every time? You've found something suspicious and need to produce your evidence
Riggie: Well, not every time, just far too often.
Shill: Too often? How often should it happen and how often is it happening?
Riggie: I don't know.
Shill: Thanks for your valued input.

As you say, any genuine cases would (as with most rigtard theories) be indisputable if they were actually happening.

Hello everybody! I am just so aggravated with Polestars, They have the best selection of poker playing and I do not know why they are manipulating the software to influence the outcome of no limit hold tournaments! I don't understand the people here who are defending this corrupt site! Is there no limit to greed in this world? Why are not more players speaking out against this outrage?
I have played hundreds on no limit tournaments and I see the software time after time favor the large stacks over the the small thus eliminating players who stand no chance to make a comeback! What are you people looking at? Don't you see it? Are you blind or what? Why don't you observe, especially late in the tourney how the small stacked players are getting crushed! Then tell me this is normal! Not only it has happened to me hundreds of times, but I see it happening to other players all the time! Now let me ask this: If they are doing this manipulation, then what else are they doing to steal players money?

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