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Old 04-20-2009, 03:47 PM   #2526
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Bingo_Boy= you obviously have no idea how meny combinations a 52 card deck can produce untill no longer a vairiable.I do you dont and you are now deviating from point.Never said i could predict cards just not as hard to do as you think.(Hand reading skills)
1) I "obviously" have no idea because you can't construct a simple sentence and as a result nobody understands what you're talking about.

2) You say above that you cant predict cards but earlier you said this:

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Thats why some people play the software rather than poker because after x amount of time on any given site you start to see patterns not mapping but patterns(this has been studied at numerous universities) so calling that river card is not as David Blaine as it seems.(i will leave out the maths and model at this time).
So you know how its done and have read the "maths and model" (which you kindly didn't post) but you dont bother to apply it while you're playing? Isn't that pretty stupid?

3) You think that "hand reading skills" are the same as noticing patterns in the (non random?) dealing of the cards? Can I speculate this is one of the many reasons why you can't play poker?

4) Your constant spelling errors make you look like pathetic troll account from one of the resident rigtards, which means you have failed whether you are or not.

Seriously, just try not to sound like stoned 12 year old and people might listen to what you're saying.
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Old 04-20-2009, 03:57 PM   #2527
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wow there is a lot of dumb in this thread

on both sides of the argument
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Old 04-20-2009, 04:01 PM   #2528
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The article i will dig out from inside poker this refers to the STTs and the players bad down swing the second relates to a person who would not like me even posting this so if provide HH there will be deletion
of certain info as but as i said this is not a fairy tale.
I just reread this and I don't know what it means in relation to his post about how he's been losing and his buddy who can't lose. Best I can figure is they are two separate issues and he can't provide any evidence about his friend b/c somehow he'd be able to delete a post about him.

So, hitman, how about a link to the story that shows why you run bad in SnG's?
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Old 04-20-2009, 04:21 PM   #2529
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wow there is a lot of dumb in this thread

on both sides of the argument
Don't see a whole lot of dumb on the "non-rigtard" side. Care to post a few examples?
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Old 04-20-2009, 04:37 PM   #2530
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QPW= Flawed
You asked for an RNG algorithm and I presented you with an RNG algorithm.

This is your response.

I presume you have disappeared for a couple of days with your tail between your legs.

Then you'll return and start up with your same old crap.

And Monteroy wonders why I inject the odd personal insult at rigtards.

I'll tell both him and you why: You damn well deserve to be insulted for your persistent, ******ed, behaviour.
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Old 04-20-2009, 04:59 PM   #2531
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The point is if there was proof that online poker is rigged it would be in the Zoo. No need to go anywhere - it would come here.
Never a truer word was writ.
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Old 04-20-2009, 05:00 PM   #2532
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And Monteroy wonders why I inject the odd personal insult at rigtards.

I'll tell both him and you why: You damn well deserve to be insulted for your persistent, ******ed, behaviour.

Actually, I wonder why you seriously debate with people who are more then likely fake accounts with fake beliefs setup to troll you. Let's say there is a 10% chance he is legit - well ok he also cannot form a complete sentence, so I wonder why you spend so much time debating someone like that as well.

And sorry, not going to buy the "all an elaborate re- level" thing either.

Just use a bit of a filter when picking fights at times, that's all.
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Old 04-20-2009, 05:04 PM   #2533
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Actually, I wonder why you seriously debate with people who are more then likely fake accounts with fake beliefs setup to troll you. Let's say there is a 10% chance he is legit - well ok he also cannot form a complete sentence, so I wonder why you spend so much time debating someone like that as well.

And sorry, not going to buy the "all an elaborate re- level" thing either.

Just use a bit of a filter when picking fights at times, that's all.
I actually don't think there have been many "rigtard levels" in this thread. More than likely multiple accounts by rigtards trying to generate support for their side of the debate though.
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Old 04-20-2009, 05:38 PM   #2534
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Clear this up.
1)No fake account
2)Now a debate is starting
3)Personal insults flaming and tail between my legs(u been talkin to my wife) do not convince me to retort be angry or otherwise everyone has an opinion.(****** or not)
5)Markusg yes in IP o8 nov link I cannot provide but does this mean im lying?(hard copy)
6)Mike haven nice to see a mod inputing
7)QPW yes you gave me what i asked kinda.
8)Bingo_boy is still on the moon but i respect your op anyway
9)if my english is bad or you do not understand i will dumb down(or up)depending on p.
10)Thanks for your time.(interesting)
11)lighten up......

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Old 04-20-2009, 05:48 PM   #2535
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I actually don't think there have been many "rigtard levels" in this thread. More than likely multiple accounts by rigtards trying to generate support for their side of the debate though.
lol, any proves of that ?
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Old 04-20-2009, 05:51 PM   #2536
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3)... (u been talkin to my wife) ...
No, we don't do much talking.
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Old 04-20-2009, 05:57 PM   #2537
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No, we don't do much talking.
U wish lol........

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Old 04-20-2009, 05:59 PM   #2538
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lol, any proves of that ?
Well there was some posted earlier ITT in regards to how posts by certain people were suspiciously close to a one Stephen Meares'.
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Old 04-20-2009, 06:08 PM   #2539
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5)Markusg yes in IP o8 nov link I cannot provide but does this mean im lying?(hard copy)
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9)if my english is bad or you do not understand i will dumb down(or up)depending on p.
5) I was quite careful NOT to say you were lying. I simply mentioned what you gave me so far hasn't been helpful and asked if you could give me/us a little more to go on.

Furthermore, the beginning of your first post says basically that you were winning on one account, closed it and started a new one where you can't seem to duplicate your previous success. What I've gathered is there's an article from Inside Poker which you say explains this phenomenon. Am I correct? If so, perhaps you can share the name of the article and the author. I might be able to dig it up that way.

Next is a dubious (at best) story about a friend of yours who you believe can't lose. You sent me a screen name, is it his? If it is, the little info I've found on him doesn't seem to support what he allegedly told you. If you aren't willing to share more information about him due to privacy issues, then you shouldn't have mentioned him at all, since it does sound a bit like a "fairy tale" and it will remain one until verified.

To be clear, I'm not calling you a liar; I would just appreciate it if you could cite your source for the first issue and accept that your second one is not credible. You can believe it on your friend's word, but I wouldn't believe my best friend if he said such a thing, much less a guy I met on the interwebs.

9) your English is quite poor and I'm sure I'm not the only one who finds it kind of hard to really understand what you are saying frequently. for you to imply that "dumbing" it down so people can comprehend it better is not only outlandish, it's insulting. here's an example:
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i have played 40/80 stts very day for the last 2 mouths on new account and will a hand hold never 95% bad beats in the stts i am now close to quitting.
what does that even mean? are you saying a hand never holds? that doesn't seem likely. next something about 95% bad beats in STT's - that's not "never," but I still don't quite get it - and I doubt it could be dumbed down any.

I'm not knocking your English, especially if it's not your first language, but really - please consider that you are not communicating very clearly before you start the "Personal insults flaming."
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Old 04-20-2009, 06:09 PM   #2540
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Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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BB: $150.00
UTG: $222.10
UTG+1: $200.00
MP1: $437.70
Hero (MP2): $646.70
CO: $33.85
BTN: $245.30
SB: $514.25

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is MP2 with A K
2 folds, MP1 raises to $7, Hero requests TIME, Hero calls $7, 1 fold, BTN calls $7, 2 folds

Flop: ($24.00) 5 6 J (3 players)
MP1 bets $17, Hero calls $17, BTN raises to $52, MP1 raises to $430.70 all in, Hero raises to $639.70 all in, BTN calls $186.30 all in

Turn: ($1123.70) J (3 players - 3 are all in)

River: ($1123.70) 5 (3 players - 3 are all in)

Final Pot: $1123.70
MP1 shows J J (four of a kind, Jacks)
Hero shows A K (a flush, Ace high)
BTN shows 5 5 (four of a kind, Fives)
MP1 wins $384.80
MP1 wins $735.90
(Rake: $3.00)

Deserves a re post. BtW AK flops the flush. No this is not Evidence.
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Old 04-20-2009, 06:10 PM   #2541
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What does anyone else have to say about Online poker being rigged to some degree?

The debate just goes round and round and round.

Do people think that we re just crazy "rigtards" or do we have a legitimate concern?

Please someone other than Monteroy,qpw,Markusgc,otatop,Rek.
[X] Rigged
[X] LOL, fairtards
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Old 04-20-2009, 06:11 PM   #2542
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Deserves a re post. BtW AK flops the flush. No this is not Evidence.
Stop posting this crap in this thread.
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Old 04-20-2009, 06:14 PM   #2543
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Problem solving something you need to learn about...As i have set up 3g revenue generating servers please post algorithm and maths involved as maybe im not as clued up as my paycheck suggests....Tnx
[ ] Maths
[X] Math

Nothing *#@?!$ tilts me more
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Old 04-20-2009, 06:14 PM   #2544
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Any rigtard wanna show the rest of us some math 'proving' your claims? I have head talk of this supposed math, but no equations or formulas have yet to appear.

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Old 04-20-2009, 06:15 PM   #2545
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Stop posting this crap in this thread.
No.

Has anyone ever seen a hand that beats this one for ridiculousness.
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Old 04-20-2009, 06:18 PM   #2546
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Deserves a re post. BtW AK flops the flush. No this is not Evidence.
no it doesn't and no it's not. since it isn't evidence, why are you posting it?

If you're gonna, you might as well do it right...
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Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is MP2 with A K
2 folds, MP1 raises to $7, Hero requests TIME, Hero calls $7, 1 fold, BTN calls $7, 2 folds

Flop: ($24.00) 5 6 J (3 players)
MP1 bets $17, Hero calls $17, BTN raises to $52, MP1 raises to $430.70 all in, Hero raises to $639.70 all in, BTN calls $186.30 all in

Turn: ($1123.70) J (3 players - 3 are all in)

River: ($1123.70) 5 (3 players - 3 are all in)
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Has anyone ever seen a hand that beats this one for ridiculousness.
you know the turn could've been a brick and the boat still would've beat the flush. as far as having seen something like that, yeah, I see flushes lose to full houses about every day.

edit: I see the 55 guy hit quads too. that's unusual, but I don't see this often. do you? if you see it once, it's remarkable. frequently, that's another story. please let us know if it comes up again.

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Old 04-20-2009, 06:19 PM   #2547
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If someone brought good points backed up by proof, people would have an opened mind and even help out.



Look at what? no one has brought anything to look at.
That Madoff guy scammed his investors and the authorities for decades, and made his books look genuine, so it's not impossible to evade detection with large-scale fraud.
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Old 04-20-2009, 06:20 PM   #2548
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No.

Has anyone ever seen a hand that beats this one for ridiculousness.
The hand doesn't even qualify for the bad beat jackpot, which gets paid out regularly on all the big sites.
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No.

Has anyone ever seen a hand that beats this one for ridiculousness.
Yeah back when I was building my roll at like $.10/$.25 I had a hand where I held 4c2c in the BB two players limped to me (I checked), flop came something like Q-5-3c, checked around. Turn was a 5c, checked around. River was a 6c. I bet, got raised, re-raised etc until we were all in. Turns out the other two guys had slowplayed QQ and 55 all the way. That hand was pretty awesome. LOL slowplayaments.

I posted it in BBV if you can find it.
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Old 04-20-2009, 06:25 PM   #2550
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The hand doesn't even qualify for the bad beat jackpot, which gets paid out regularly on all the big sites.
I know it doesnt but cmon one guy flops the stone cold nut flush and 2 of the cards happen to have made a set for the other players, they get it in, one makes quads then the other.

Can anyone produce a 3 way hand that compares to this.

Usually a BBJ will be 2 players.
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