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08-30-2010 , 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by ILoveMyBum
When two players go all in preflop in tournament play (Sit & Go or MTT) there is no way the best starting hand wins the percentage its supposed to.
Please post your all-in hand statistics showing this not to be the case.
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08-30-2010 , 12:58 AM
I have been playing online poker full time for 5 years, and during this time I have played PP,FTP,PS,CAKE,and AP. Any of the observations, information, or disturbing tendencies that I mention here are strictly based on my own play and opinions, which is all relayed to the best of my ability and knowledge in this thread.
For starters, I would suggest reading " Kennedy vs.Ftp ", "Joseph Menn poker article 4-05-10 " and also enlightening yourself about the server locations.
Have you ever noticed how quickly $12 ( 180 man turbos ) fill on Stars ?
Have you ever wondered why the online beats are clearly accentuated as opposed to live play ?
Have you ever looked at the leaderboards on Stars or Ftp and noticed the geographical locations of the players in the prizing positions ?
If not, I suggest you take a look........Germany,Netherlands,U,K. Canada,Brazil,Spain,and Russia clearly dominate. Meanwhile where is Italy, Japan,China,U.S.A. Africa,France?
In fact, Germany is #2 in the world in online players ? This is a very disturbing fact per population , and would certainly lead me to question the validation process or the actual programmers themselves. Where is the PPA ?
Why must these operations position themselves on ungoverned islands, and locate their servers on Indian reservations if they are conducting business within the confines of total transparency ?
I have now become so keen to who the bots are on Stars , that I can tell you who will cash any 1 table sit n go before it starts,,I shouldn't be able to do this but I can.
To the poker purist who give responses like " see so many more hands online ", or " German player had pot odds to call with 39 when he cracked AA " or my favorite " it happens live too " I say, " keep a close eye on where the players are from in padded setup scenarios, and tell me what you see ? Watch which player is preferentially dealt and take note how close he lives to Germany 75% of the time
Here's what I see: Deutschland ( or somewhere real close) handing out many many of the online beats
These programs are bot laden, fraudulent, and in serious need of a revamped regulatory system that gives every geographical location a fair shake
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08-30-2010 , 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by AnthonyB.
I have been playing online poker full time for 5 years, and during this time I have played PP,FTP,PS,CAKE,and AP. Any of the observations, information, or disturbing tendencies that I mention here are strictly based on my own play and opinions, which is all relayed to the best of my ability and knowledge in this thread.
For starters, I would suggest reading " Kennedy vs.Ftp ", "Joseph Menn poker article 4-05-10 " and also enlightening yourself about the server locations.
Have you ever noticed how quickly $12 ( 180 man turbos ) fill on Stars ?
Have you ever wondered why the online beats are clearly accentuated as opposed to live play ?
Have you ever looked at the leaderboards on Stars or Ftp and noticed the geographical locations of the players in the prizing positions ?
If not, I suggest you take a look........Germany,Netherlands,U,K. Canada,Brazil,Spain,and Russia clearly dominate. Meanwhile where is Italy, Japan,China,U.S.A. Africa,France?
In fact, Germany is #2 in the world in online players ? This is a very disturbing fact per population , and would certainly lead me to question the validation process or the actual programmers themselves. Where is the PPA ?
Why must these operations position themselves on ungoverned islands, and locate their servers on Indian reservations if they are conducting business within the confines of total transparency ?
I have now become so keen to who the bots are on Stars , that I can tell you who will cash any 1 table sit n go before it starts,,I shouldn't be able to do this but I can.
To the poker purist who give responses like " see so many more hands online ", or " German player had pot odds to call with 39 when he cracked AA " or my favorite " it happens live too " I say, " keep a close eye on where the players are from in padded setup scenarios, and tell me what you see ? Watch which player is preferentially dealt and take note how close he lives to Germany 75% of the time
Here's what I see: Deutschland ( or somewhere real close) handing out many many of the online beats
These programs are bot laden, fraudulent, and in serious need of a revamped regulatory system that gives every geographical location a fair shake
Nice repost idiot. It was stupid the first time you made this post, and it still is now.
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08-30-2010 , 01:14 AM
That's what happens when you go from playing full time to losing full time.. you'll say, and worse, believe, lots and lots of really stupid things.

Way to go bot spotter!


** Btw, I played in a tournament the other day where an old guy said he can spot dealers who were going to deal him good cards. Apparently it's "in their face". I did not know this. The face.. how come I didn't figure that out? Well, I'm off to go read dealer faces! Ciao!
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08-30-2010 , 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ShortStack03
Someone take a look at my sharkscope graph. Almost on cue, after every 750 games I play go on a downswing. It's like they see that I'm winning too much a flip the switch on me for a few days where I breakeven/lose, then back to normal again. Normally I'm not one to jump on the "online poker is rigged" bandwagon but I won't even play hold'em cash games anymore because of how badly I am coolered every time I play. I mean honestly, it is really possible to run KK into AA every session you play?? (oh and I only play 2-3 tables at a time for about an hour or two) I'm not exaggerating either...if I were to play 3 tables for 2 hours, GUARENTEE I run KK into AA (i'd bet money on it).
true it works the same as poker machines except better as it has your history and works out better if you keep on depositing more than your opponent in the hand -hows that for a conspiracy
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08-30-2010 , 04:06 AM
Its software audited by who?

subtleties
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08-30-2010 , 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by AnthonyB.
Why must these operations position themselves on ungoverned islands
Please name one poker site that is 'positioned' on an ungoverned island and name the island.

Also, explain exactly what you mean by 'positioned'.

Tx.
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08-30-2010 , 06:02 AM
These guys with the August 2010 join dates making the posts on the past page or so..... you know it's really not worth it. I'm playing chess and they're trying to take my pieces by hopping them as if we're playing checkers. It's not even worth trying to explain how the game is played because they'll never get it.
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08-30-2010 , 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ILoveMyBum
When two players go all in preflop in tournament play (Sit & Go or MTT) there is no way the best starting hand wins the percentage its supposed to.
So, how much have you made by using this knowledge?
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08-30-2010 , 06:27 AM
i can answer on his/her behalf wiki

not very much
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08-30-2010 , 09:19 AM
It cracks me up that people think that there is no way online poker couldn't be shady in any way. With all the things that go on in this world there are still people that think there is no way online poker couldn't be 100% legit.
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08-30-2010 , 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ILoveMyBum
It cracks me up that people think....
while i however...
do not
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08-30-2010 , 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ILoveMyBum
It cracks me up that people think that there is no way online poker couldn't be shady in any way. With all the things that go on in this world there are still people that think there is no way online poker couldn't be 100% legit.
It cracks me up that you say this, yet I haven't seen one person in this thread that thinks that.
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08-30-2010 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ILoveMyBum
It cracks me up that people think that there is no way online poker couldn't be shady in any way. With all the things that go on in this world there are still people that think there is no way online poker couldn't be 100% legit.
Who are these people?

Post a couple of links so that we can all have a laugh.
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08-30-2010 , 08:29 PM
Some people will NEVER get it. EVER EVER EVER!!!

You blame RNG.. we say, nah, no proof, GTFO
You blame something else.. we say, nah, wrong thread

You post bad beats

*sigh*
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08-30-2010 , 10:21 PM
Has anyone ever run well after their first account withdrawal? afaik this has never happened to anyone in history.
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08-30-2010 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ConcreteDonkey
Has anyone ever run well after their first account withdrawal? afaik this has never happened to anyone in history.
Yup.
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08-30-2010 , 11:23 PM
Anyone notice you run better after taking time off?
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08-30-2010 , 11:38 PM
I think it's very important to take breaks. As long as they're not too long. It's been so long that I've played seriously that I almost don't wanna go back to playing (but I'll have to).

Some people need a really long break though.. like permanently. If poker makes you miserable enough that you post bad beats and conspiracy theories itt, then that might be you.



I'm a dfo }><\\\;>J <--- dead fish online, so I'd think [assume] online players would need more [frequent] breaks.

Anyone here regularly take breaks (like take em before you need em type of thing)?

I used to be good at keeping my game fresh and keeping poker interesting =/

Last edited by LVGambler; 08-30-2010 at 11:44 PM.
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08-30-2010 , 11:56 PM
I take way more breaks now than I ever used to, but a break is an affordable luxury to some people while others have to grind constantly to reach their goals. If I HAD to play poker constantly though it would definitely have a negative effect on me.
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08-31-2010 , 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by NFuego20
Yup.

Evidence ?
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08-31-2010 , 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by FatedToPretend
Evidence ?
Nice smartass post. Here you go.



I assure you I didn't wait until I made my first 20 grand before cashing out.

I could go so far as to look up dates and times of withdrawals to get even more specific, but frankly you're a troll and if I'm going to put in that kind of effort it's going to be for a good reason for somebody who actually has earned my respect.... not to play childish games with you.
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08-31-2010 , 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ConcreteDonkey
Has anyone ever run well after their first account withdrawal? afaik this has never happened to anyone in history.
The years 2004-2008 featured a ton of players who did reload bonuses all the time while withdrawing after each one. Some rooms had them monthly, and people ran fine before and after withdrawals. One utterly silly Party bonus promo had me doing deposits and withdraws every day for 8 days and I ran as hot as the sun during that promo which made it even more fun.


Players still withdraw today though not for as much bankroll movement, so currently there may be a minor effect on some players after a withdrawal as they are now playing with a smaller bankroll online so they might play differently which could have an impact on results.

Also, many players who withdraw a lot tend to be weaker ones that had a large tourney score, so generally they go back to their losing ways after that or they move up in stakes and go back to their losing ways (losing quicker). They associate their losing with their withdraw or the weather or what color shirt they are wearing because that allows them to avoid placing the blame on themselves, since in their mind their big score proves they are a winner (instead of how they do in 99.9% of the other tournaments).


In contrast, anyone who grinds properly will not even remember what days they withdraw and their results will have no relationship to those dates.


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Originally Posted by TAFFYMAN
Anyone notice you run better after taking time off?
Again - it depends.

Some games you can take a longer break than others and come back fresh. If you are grinding games that are a bit more reg infested then a longer break can mean you lose a bit of track of the subtle changes in the games that take place over time.
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08-31-2010 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by NFuego20
Nice smartass post. Here you go.



I assure you I didn't wait until I made my first 20 grand before cashing out.
Fixed your graph.
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08-31-2010 , 07:20 PM
KK aipf lose
AK aipf lose
KK aipf lose
AK aipf lose
AK aipf lose

20 hands. repeat
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