Look at a poker book. Pot odds have nothing to do with opponents. Simple math.

You misunderstand.

Your opponents outstripped your abilities and thus you have to make false statements about x % events only holding up x-y% of the time.

You're basically being a muppet.

Of course, if you have any Evidence for your claims, I'm sure we'd all be very interested.

Can you pin-point when this "magical" change happened ... an exact date if possible ... or was it a slow gradual change?

And do you think that these sites were not rigged at all in "the good old days", or was it that the doomswitch just hadn't been flipped on you at that time?


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i am VERY good at spotting patterns, you need to be if you want to be any good poker is it not,
unfortunately,
i am just rubbish at spotting patters

Why would you claim that my opponents outstripped my poker abilities when you have no Evidence of my or my opponents’ skill levels. You demand proof from me, yet you don't hold yourself to the same standard. Or are you claiming clairvoyance?

Since you struck out on that topic, perhaps you could help me with a chicken/egg conundrum I’ve been struggling with, something that should be right up your alley. Does one start out as a reject from society and are thus attracted to the exciting career opportunity of becoming an online poker room shill? Or does the reality of that stimulating profession inevitably turn one into a societal reject? Oh, wait. You’re the shilltard who answered a pot odds post with an opponent’s skill level response. Never mind.

Pot odds and equity are two different things, and pot odds can sometimes be affected by your opponents.

Occam's razor?

A question for all of you who think Stars/FTP/etc are rigged. How do they choose who to rig it for? I mean it seems like since you are in here complaining about bad beats all the time there has to be someone out there who never takes a bad beat and always wins while behind.

Also if a poker site was going to rig the RNG why not make it so there are more split pots than usual? This way both players get some money back and the site still gets to take the rake (applies to cash games obv). Or in a SNG/MTT the bigger stack should always win since it would force the loser to start another game.

My evidence is that you have a deluded belief that there has been some change in how x% events 'hold up'.

Since there is no evidence that this is the case there must be another reason and the most obvious one is that you are not playing as well, relative to your opponents, as you once were.

Seemples.

Nope, see above.

He was clearly suggesting that your whining about getting outdrawn too much is a symptom of your inability to win (or at least your inability to win as much as you think you deserve to). Instead of either proving what you are saying or working on your game you just try to make smug, sarcastic jokes and wild accusations.

Accusing people of "striking out", being "shills", "societal rejects" or misunderstanding your post just draws attention to the fact that you completely missed the point.

I was wondering if you could use your psychic abilities to help me with my game. At first, I thought it was maybe the confinement and isolation of your job that was causing you to have these hallucinations of my opponents outplaying me with their superior play. But you seem so confident in your assertions that I have begun to believe that maybe you do have ESP.

I tell you what: tomorrow I’ll write down all my significant hands and we can go over them together at the end of the day. Then maybe you can point out some of the holes in my game and show me exactly where my opponents are “outstripping” me. Just make sure you really concentrate so you can see every detail of my and my opponents hands and how they were played. Deal?

FYP

What psychic abilities?

You have evidence that I have psychic abilities?

What job is that?

Are you claiming psychic abilities?

Nope. It's called 'deductive reasoning'.

Hmmm, if this is a sample of your reasoning powers it's not surprising that you are not very good at poker. You would rather attribute something to an ability that has never been proven to exist than see the simple, obvious, reason for that thing.

Don't you think it odd that I'm not the only one who deduces from your continual whining that your playing skills leave something to be desired.

FYFP

Riggies would say they rig it so the poor players don't go busto as often as it should happen to keep them at the site or else they'd all be gone and only sharks left.

But now that we have sharkscope, PokerProLabs etc, we can all see that the losing players actually do continue to lose and lose often. It staggers me to see players $10k down playing $5 & $10 Sngs. There must be a point where you decide that playing trash hands OOP isn't a smart move, or even read a book or something.

I have had my doubts about the way cards are dealt at AP/UB for some time now. I always wondered why sometimes it takes so long for the turn or the river card to come off the deck. (The pause was as if it was waiting for the "right" card to put on the table.

Yesterday in a SNG #333428466 I observed the following:

6 players left. 3 fold preflop.
*** FLOP *** [5d 7d 10d].
the action goes check, bet 600, all in for 480, fold. 2 players left and 1 all in. they show [Ad Ks] and [Jd Ah].
*** TURN *** [5d 7d 10d] [3d]
*** RIVER *** [5d 7d 10d 3d] [Ah] but all of a sudden, the turn card switched to 6h

Now i know some of you will defend AP/UB as if you are their Night in Shining Armor, but I know what I saw and I saw an Ace of Hearts switched to a Six of hearts. (note that the losing hand was holding the Ah.)

I work in IT for a living and one thing is for sure...a computer does not output or display anything that it is not told to do.

I emailed AP support. I'll post their reply if I get one.

wow.. too bad u didnt have a replay of it..

i am shocked, just shocked, that this sort of thing can happen at AP

lol

I would bet a billion dollars that you were just seeing things

OP can I have some of that **** you're smoking?

Lol, just look at the thousands coming to the aid of poor old CEREUS

The deck is set before the hole cards are even dealt, you freerolltard.

ydward c'mon Join Date: Dec 2008 and still doesn't know how to convert hands! Too hard to read sticky
Yeah we can imagine what is your abilities to assimilated info from 2+2

About the Poll Question it's too simple
Is Online Poker Rigged? Obv. Yes!

Is Online Poker Rigged excluding UB/AP? No!

Looking for an virtuous online poker site is like looking for an virtuous hooker.

Both are in direct violation of the law.....driven by greed...and only one of them operates under the jurisdiction of the authority over the law they are breaking.

Even if the sites weren't illegal, a not so smal minority of the players are cheating any way. Between the teamwork and cheater software you can buy to say an honest player has a fair chance is a real joke.

I sat in the pittsburgh airport watching three guys with laptops all playing in the same SnG on fulltilt. So I say to the kid next to me,"Me and a buddy do that all the time in single table SnGs". We began a conversation and I say, "I guess that only works in cash games and SnGs. He said "no, not really, it's pretty effective in tournaments too." I ask how that works and he proceeds to tell me about the 50+ players that play in the same tourneys week after week. They all are on each other's friend list in a chat program and things are easy to coordinate. Some how, I don't think they are alone in their practice. Then he asked me if i renamed the executable file for my chat software when chatting to my team mate during a SnG. Apparently FT, PS maybe others look for these programs running while logged into the poker site.

Are sites rigged? In my opinion, yes, why wouldn't they be? But even if I'm wrong, the cheating is another obstacle for an honest player to overcome.