The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition - Page 1010 - Internet Poker

I'd be surprised if FTP wasn't one of the sites spade tested, in which case he probably did a more thorough job of testing their rng than anybody could. But you guys go ahead and keep ignoring that stuff and continue on believing what you want to believe.

again not saying rigged just would like them to do an audit. as far as i know they havnt done one in a long time.

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08-26-2010 , 12:34 AM

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I don't think you even have a clue what you're asking for in regard to an audit. I used to be an auditor myself. What's the audit program? What is somebody going to be able to tell you that will make you feel any better? I'll tell you this.... if I had to write up my own audit program I sure as heck would be doing something similar to what spade did. He basically demonstrated randomness to a pretty tight degree of certainty.

What's the concern now, that the rng is inexplicably changing?

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08-26-2010 , 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by leoslayer

again not saying rigged just would like them to do an audit. as far as i know they havnt done one in a long time.

http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/random-number-generator

Cigital in March, 2009. TST in October, 2008. Not sure what your definition of "a long time" is.

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08-26-2010 , 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ydward

And the hilarious thing is that it was third time I played aces vs kings in that tourney, the other two I had the aces, and flopped the set, but on one of those, my opponent flopped the set of kings, too and ended up getting trapped after the flop. At least I was three for three with those hands tonight.

Why would they rigg freerolls? I cant figure that out.

Also could you stop posting unconverted had HH. Or better yet dont post your HH here post it here.

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08-26-2010 , 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TheRealIABoomer

http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/random-number-generator

Cigital in March, 2009. TST in October, 2008. Not sure what your definition of "a long time" is.

ok thanks for that. now this might give u a headache but that said not predictable and unalterable. it did not say anything about percentages holding up. i have only noticed an inordinate amount in the last couple of months. not just turnies but cash as well.

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08-26-2010 , 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by batair

Why would they rigg freerolls? I cant figure that out.

Playing Devils Advocate for a second, if the real money tables are rigged, then the play money/freeroll tables would have to be rigged too, otherwise people would notice a difference. That and where else are the sites going to test out tweeks to the rig for optimal effectiveness ???

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08-26-2010 , 01:11 AM

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I guess ya got a point.

And no you didn't get trapped.

Spoiler:

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08-26-2010 , 01:36 AM

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ydward well on the way to the banhammer

And hopefully soon, because god damn, at least convert those idiotic hands.

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ok thanks for that. now this might give u a headache but that said not predictable and unalterable. it did not say anything about percentages holding up.

If the RNG is truly random, the percentages will hold up. They're like love and marriage, you can't have one with the....oooooootheeeeeeeeeeeeer.

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08-26-2010 , 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by leoslayer

yep just love getting it in 2 times hu in 3 hands 1 time as a 73% fav then the other as a 56% fav to finish 2nd. the point is when u run 660 buyins below ev for 3k+ games its bs

Obvious question: Where did you get your EV figure?

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08-26-2010 , 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by otatop

Why do riggies almost always play tournaments?

It gives them a greater range of whacko ways to imagine the deal is rigged than playing in cash games.

'Timing'

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08-26-2010 , 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by NFuego20

ydward well on the way to the banhammer

Not too shabby for someone with 10 posts!

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08-26-2010 , 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Wiki

Obvious question: Where did you get your EV figure?

holdem manager. ran my ev in total profit. also ran it with roi. just used my turny graph.

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08-26-2010 , 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Wiki

Not too shabby for someone with 10 posts!

well, to be fair, Mike Haven did delete about a dozen of his posts which were just hand histories spamming up the thread.

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08-26-2010 , 04:46 AM

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well, to be fair, Mike Haven did delete about a dozen of his posts which were just hand histories spamming up the thread.

I see.

Of course, there's actually no sensible reason for anyone to post a hand history here. Ever.

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08-26-2010 , 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by otatop

Why do riggies almost always play tournaments?

I've posted my hypothesis on this before. In a tournament, a bad beat has a greater impact than in a cash game. In a tourney, you get stacked - boom, you're out. In a cash game? meh - reload (and automatically if you have that option set). It's more dramatic (thus more noticeable) in a tourney.

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08-26-2010 , 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Arouet

A similar take on this, is that they usually forget that you always lose the last all-in in a tourney, and that one is the most memorable. But in the context of counting all all-ins (like in a cash game) that one is really just one in a continuous series.

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08-26-2010 , 08:26 AM

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A similar take on this, is that they usually forget that you always lose the last all-in in a tourney, and that one is the most memorable.

That's a very good point.

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08-26-2010 , 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Wiki

That's a very good point.

Yes, if you focus on late-tourney all-ins (which many of them do) then every player is eventually under EV on those, it's impossible to not be. Because they are cherry picked. The same effect would be seen by just examining all all-ins that you lost. Duh.

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08-26-2010 , 09:06 AM

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To expand on the "Why do riggies almost always play tournaments?" answers ...

If you go all-in 5 times with an 80% favorite when both hero and villain have average sized stacks. In a cash game you'll be up by 3 stacks if you win 4 of 5 and feeling pretty happy. In a tourney, lose 1 of 5 and you're out and not so happy.

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08-26-2010 , 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by obviously.bogus

another good point.

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08-26-2010 , 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by obviously.bogus

Ah, the good old days: when my 80% hands held up 80% of the time at PS and FT. I'd still be playing at both if that simple fact did not somehow "magically" change for the worse.

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08-26-2010 , 11:22 AM

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Ah, the good old days: when my 80% hands held up 80% of the time at PS and FT. I'd still be playing at both if that simple fact did not somehow "magically" change for the worse.

nice reply to a substantive post.

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08-26-2010 , 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Gordias

Ah, the good old days: when my 80% hands held up 80% of the time at PS and FT. I'd still be playing at both if that simple fact did not somehow "magically" change for the worse.

It wasn't magic.

Your opponents got better and you didn't.

Seemples.

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08-26-2010 , 12:00 PM

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missed out on this in the last few days wiki

how did the full moon go?

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08-26-2010 , 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TvSa

missed out on this in the last few days wiki

how did the full moon go?

Nothing unusual.

We do sometimes get spurts of activity but it seems they must be being triggered by something else.

What we need is someone who is good at spotting patters ...

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