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Old 04-20-2009, 01:06 PM   #2501
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What does anyone else have to say about Online poker being rigged to some degree?

The debate just goes round and round and round.

Do people think that we re just crazy "rigtards" or do we have a legitimate concern?

Please someone other than Monteroy,qpw,Markusgc,otatop,Rek.
Now that quite a few others have answered your question, and in a spirit of genuinely trying to be helpful, I think you need to try and suspend your suspicions for a while and see:

1) If you can appreciate the reasons many people have given you that it would not make commercial sense for a site to rig anything, because there are a great many people, some with very high levels of mathematical ability, scrutinising there operations.

2) If you can improve your understanding of probability maths at least enough that you can see that bad beats really do happen very, very frequently and apparantly absurd runs of them are to be expected.

It won't kill the annoyance when it happens but at least you should be able to focus on your play rather than getting side tracked worrying about the legitimacy of the deal.
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Old 04-20-2009, 01:09 PM   #2502
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Here's a concept I bet a lot of rigged guys haven't thought of:

If you win a pot as a 95% favorite when the money goes in, you're running over expectation.
LOL, very true.
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Old 04-20-2009, 01:29 PM   #2503
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I think you're 'crazy "rigtards"'.
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Old 04-20-2009, 01:32 PM   #2504
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Rigtard trolling.....Why does no one post what i ask for.
More than once this has been shot at me.... post what i ask..
Not hard,DO IT..im not goin to do it 4 ya cuz u flame troll that.

But to meny affiliates and ,point 1 have i ever said internet poker is rigged
consider that.....lol closed minded internet shills.

Proof is out there(2 a degree)if u chose to deny your own ignorance dont f/blame me cuz i look at all options and points and evidence before my mind is 100 percent made up but.....there is a lot of BS flying here and there and posters getting personal.

And QPW stop your BS and do what i ask your logic is flawed as well as meny other points to the topic u try to debate..and your crew.
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Old 04-20-2009, 01:34 PM   #2505
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Rigtard trolling.....Why does no one post what i ask for.
More than once this has been shot at me.... post what i ask..
Not hard,DO IT..im not goin to do it 4 ya cuz u flame troll that.

But to meny affiliates and ,point 1 have i ever said internet poker is rigged
consider that.....lol closed minded internet shills.

Proof is out there(2 a degree)if u chose to deny your own ignorance dont f/blame me cuz i look at all options and points and evidence before my mind is 100 percent made up but.....there is a lot of BS flying here and there and posters getting personal.

And QPW stop your BS and do what i ask your logic is flawed as well as meny other points to the topic u try to debate..and your crew.
Can anyone translate this into English, please?
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Old 04-20-2009, 01:40 PM   #2506
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Can anyone translate this into English, please?
Another great post keep em comming buffon.Comedy value 10/10

POST WHAT I ASKED BEFORE.
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Old 04-20-2009, 01:47 PM   #2507
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No me and Tk1133 are to differnt beings unlike you and your affiliates.

QPW POST ME AN RNG AlGORITHM MODEL PLEASE.
dont use software anymore WHHHHHHHAAAAAAAT
QPW TELL ME HOW MENY CONBINATIONS IN A 52 CARD DECK
You play say 250000 you not going to see the same algorithms
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how many card combos? If youre talking about ten hands a flop a turn and a river something like 199999709752403000000000000000000000000000 right?

52*51*....27
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Old 04-20-2009, 01:48 PM   #2508
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Can anyone translate this into English, please?
I think what he is saying is:

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Old 04-20-2009, 01:51 PM   #2509
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Can anyone translate this into English, please?
someone set us up the bomb imo.

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Old 04-20-2009, 02:03 PM   #2510
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POST WHAT I ASKED BEFORE.
If you can tell me, in your own words, what you believe an algorithm is, and if your post makes sense, I'll post you one.
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Nice to hear the opinions of others on the subject. Keep the views coming.
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Old 04-20-2009, 02:09 PM   #2512
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Problem solving something you need to learn about...As i have set up 3g revenue generating servers please post algorithm and maths involved as maybe im not as clued up as my paycheck suggests....Tnx

Last edited by hitman4hire; 04-20-2009 at 02:14 PM. Reason: Algorithms are applied to meny different problems RNGs im interested in.
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Old 04-20-2009, 02:09 PM   #2513
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Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: $150.00
UTG: $222.10
UTG+1: $200.00
MP1: $437.70
Hero (MP2): $646.70
CO: $33.85
BTN: $245.30
SB: $514.25

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is MP2 with A K
2 folds, MP1 raises to $7, Hero requests TIME, Hero calls $7, 1 fold, BTN calls $7, 2 folds

Flop: ($24.00) 5 6 J (3 players)
MP1 bets $17, Hero calls $17, BTN raises to $52, MP1 raises to $430.70 all in, Hero raises to $639.70 all in, BTN calls $186.30 all in

Turn: ($1123.70) J (3 players - 3 are all in)

River: ($1123.70) 5 (3 players - 3 are all in)

Final Pot: $1123.70
MP1 shows J J (four of a kind, Jacks)
Hero shows A K (a flush, Ace high)
BTN shows 5 5 (four of a kind, Fives)
MP1 wins $384.80
MP1 wins $735.90
(Rake: $3.00)

Got this from BBV and NO Im not presenting this as evidence but seriously!

btw A K flops flush.(It hasnt converted)
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Old 04-20-2009, 02:20 PM   #2514
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Proof is out there
Then go get it and bring it in here.
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Old 04-20-2009, 02:21 PM   #2515
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Old 04-20-2009, 02:31 PM   #2516
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Then go get it and bring it in here.
Quote= to a degree

Why when you can do the same rather than beating on people for there opinions and points.I have given you all you need.As i said to solve anything consider every parameter involved in said problem.Then logical descions can be made. Rigged or not im only asking you look at ALL theses and i dont believe meny here have.
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Old 04-20-2009, 02:32 PM   #2517
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you will also get your good hands payed off more oftenly.
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Do you now how RNGs algorithms are programmed i suggest looking this up.
Thats why some people play the software rather than poker because after x amount of time on any given site you start to see patterns not mapping but patterns(this has been studied at numerous universities) so calling that river card is not as David Blaine as it seems.(i will leave out the maths and model at this time).
Yeah, why would you want to post that? I assume you're making a fortune from your poker though, given that you know what cards are coming. Site / Screen name please?

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No me and Tk1133 are to differnt beings unlike you and your affiliates.

QPW POST ME AN RNG AlGORITHM MODEL PLEASE.
dont use software anymore WHHHHHHHAAAAAAAT
QPW TELL ME HOW MENY CONBINATIONS IN A 52 CARD DECK
You play say 250000 you not going to see the same algorithms
ADVICE= stop posting drunk cuz my 2 month old daughter makes more sense than u.
Does anybody even know what this means? I'm fairly sure you don't

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Seriously pokerstars card generator is screwed, after suffering quite a few bad beats i downgrade to their play money games. Everything goes well after shakey start and i get upto 100k chips reasonably fast so i invest in the 9 man 80k tourny, I play for well over an hour until finally we are heads up (after 3 miracle rivers saved other players for the last 20mins) anyway im up 3 to 1 guy goes all in every hand sayin he has to go so i was like sweet i really need those chips, i get aa and he goes all in with 7 3offsuit, i hit trips on the flop then he gets running flush cards, so im thinking what a joke, then 2 hands later a10 v 23 and he gets 2 pairs and i dont hit. I mean is that ****en serious , i spend close to 2 hrs to get 2 insane bad beats within 3 hands of each other and 5 hands of heads up.

Just that i'd get that off my chest, load of bs. (sorry if my swearing offends anyone but im not in the ****en mood)
Considering they've programmed the software to dynamically decide who's going to win each hand whilst somehow avoiding detection from thousands of Pokertracker databases I'm amazed they would waste time and risk detection rigging play money tables.

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Problem solving something you need to learn about...As i have set up 3g revenue generating servers please post algorithm and maths involved as maybe im not as clued up as my paycheck suggests....Tnx
Do you have to speak to people or write anything to earn your 'paycheck'? If so its no wonder the world is in a mess.
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Old 04-20-2009, 02:33 PM   #2518
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Problem solving something you need to learn about...As i have set up 3g revenue generating servers please post algorithm and maths involved as maybe im not as clued up as my paycheck suggests....Tnx
Here the Mersenne Twister algorithm rendered as pseudo-code:

It will generate uniform 32-bit integers in the range [0, 2^32 − 1]

Code:
// Create a length 624 array to store the state of the generator
 int[0..623] MT
 int index = 0
 
 // Initialize the generator from a seed
 function initializeGenerator(int seed) {
     MT[0] := seed
     for i from 1 to 623 { // loop over each other element
         MT[i] := last 32 bits of(1812433253 * (MT[i-1] xor (right shift by 30 bits(MT[i-1]))) + i) // 0x6c078965
     }
 }
 
 // Extract a tempered pseudorandom number based on the index-th value,
 // calling generateNumbers() every 624 numbers
 function extractNumber() {
     if index == 0 {
         generateNumbers()
     }
     
     int y := MT[index]
     y := y xor (right shift by 11 bits(y))
     y := y xor (left shift by 7 bits(y) and (2636928640)) // 0x9d2c5680
     y := y xor (left shift by 15 bits(y) and (4022730752)) // 0xefc60000
     y := y xor (right shift by 18 bits(y))
     
     index := (index + 1) mod 624
     return y
 }
 
 // Generate an array of 624 untempered numbers
 function generateNumbers() {
     for i from 0 to 623 {
         int y := 32nd bit of(MT[i]) + last 31 bits of(MT[(i+1) mod 624])
         MT[i] := MT[(i + 397) mod 624] xor (right shift by 1 bit(y))
         if (y mod 2) == 1 { // y is odd
             MT[i] := MT[i] xor (2567483615) // 0x9908b0df
         }
     }
 }
As you can see, it's a very simple, yet very effective function.

That should get you started and I'm sure someone who warrants a good paycheck is quite capable of undertaking any further research by himself.
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Why when you can do the same rather than beating on people for there opinions and points.
But we are not as bright as you and don't know where it is. Go on do us a favour and bring it here. Prove us all wrong.
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Why when you can do the same rather than beating on people for there opinions and points.I have given you all you need.As i said to solve anything consider every parameter involved in said problem.Then logical descions can be made.
If someone brought good points backed up by proof, people would have an opened mind and even help out.

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Rigged or not im only asking you look at ALL theses and i dont believe meny here have.
Look at what? no one has brought anything to look at.
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QPW= Flawed
Bingo_Boy= you obviously have no idea how meny combinations a 52 card deck can produce untill no longer a vairiable.I do you dont and you are now deviating from point.Never said i could predict cards just not as hard to do as you think.(Hand reading skills)
Batair/Rek= Learn to do things for yourself.I have nothing to prove to people who as in this thread chose to qoute missread and blatently try to manipulate points to meet there own agenda/ends

Thanks for your time gooday untill next time.
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Learn to do what for myself, get proof ? There is no proof out there afaik or it would be in here.
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Learn to do what for myself, get proof ? There is no proof out there afaik or it would be in here.
LOL, that is just to deep for me
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The point is if there's proof that online poker is rigged it would be in the zoo no need to go anywhere it will come here.

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A freind who i have met through poker forums and playing cash games has told me no matter what hand hes playing he losses only apx 5% of time he opened an account with $100 and now 12 tables 50/1 1/2 2/4 nl. he tells me he makes himself lose as not to attract attention i have seen his last 5 played hands yesterday at 2/4 as i never belived him true to his word he is goin in on crazy **** ie 75off for buy ins and not losing he is no super user but tells me he thought he was running good at first but now makes thousands.

Make of it what u will but all 100 percent true.is your account selected to be the next internet success story
I got a PM from hitman and he said it was in Inside Poker magazine's Nov. 2008 issue. Then he mentioned the screen name "bigbazlobon." I assumed he meant that's his friends poker name.

I can't find any mention of bigbazlobon using Inside Poker's search, and I only found a couple of NL10 hands of his from '08 when I Googled the name. OPR has him as a losing player over a small amount of games in 2008 too.

So, the info he provided has not yielded any sort of proof to back up his story.

But, to be fair, it was PapaJoe who claimed the ability to predict turn and river cards.
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