The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition
03-27-2009
, 09:03 PM
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The Narcissist: "I am a great player. If I lose, it must be rigged."
Everyone Else: "If I lose, I must be a losing player; If I win, I must be a winning player."
Narcissist's Theory of Variance: "If I run hot, I am merely running at the mean for my expert level. If I lose a pot once in a while, that's just variance. If I run bad, it's rigged."
Everyone Else: "If I lose, I must be a losing player; If I win, I must be a winning player."
Narcissist's Theory of Variance: "If I run hot, I am merely running at the mean for my expert level. If I lose a pot once in a while, that's just variance. If I run bad, it's rigged."
Juk
03-28-2009
, 12:20 AM
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From Full Tilt's perspective you are clearly a losing player, so would it not fit that they would rig it to help you based on your losing patterns?
At least that is one of the common rigged beliefs, that they rig it to help losing players. You are one on Full Tilt.
The only other choice is that they are targeting you. Did you do something to incur Full Tilt's wrath to mess your .05/.10 NL buy in results? You must be fairly important to merit such attention.
Long story short, you are interpreting a story from your results and making assumptions of conditions that make no sense to actually exist.
Aside from standard variance, you may have just gone against worse opponents on Stars. You may have played on Stars at better times ( in terms of relative competition). You may have been a bit luckier on Stars.
Realistically the odds of one of these or other factors being the cause of your results is much higher then any massive conspiracy to rig micro stakes games, particularly against you on Full Tilt.
There is no logical rigged theory that can be formed based on your specific results that preclude you from being a target of a massive conspiracy. You are free to create any beliefs you like, however, no offense, but I doubt you matter that much, none of us do.
Additionally, I cannot prove FT is not rigged to your satisfaction, just like you cannot prove that you are not a Lizard Person to my satisfaction. Asking to disprove a negative is flawed.
There are people who have basically the exact same beliefs you have, except switch Full Tilt and Pokerstars. So yeah, you are saying the same coin is rigged to land heads while others say tails, but in the end you will likely agree something is wrong with the coin...
Seriously, either get a more logical grasp of the reality of the situation or continue to indulge in bizarre fantasies. One way will be a path for you to improve your game, the other a way to rationalize your bad results without any improvement.
I know what your opponents would prefer you choose.
All the best.
At least that is one of the common rigged beliefs, that they rig it to help losing players. You are one on Full Tilt.
The only other choice is that they are targeting you. Did you do something to incur Full Tilt's wrath to mess your .05/.10 NL buy in results? You must be fairly important to merit such attention.
Long story short, you are interpreting a story from your results and making assumptions of conditions that make no sense to actually exist.
Aside from standard variance, you may have just gone against worse opponents on Stars. You may have played on Stars at better times ( in terms of relative competition). You may have been a bit luckier on Stars.
Realistically the odds of one of these or other factors being the cause of your results is much higher then any massive conspiracy to rig micro stakes games, particularly against you on Full Tilt.
There is no logical rigged theory that can be formed based on your specific results that preclude you from being a target of a massive conspiracy. You are free to create any beliefs you like, however, no offense, but I doubt you matter that much, none of us do.
Additionally, I cannot prove FT is not rigged to your satisfaction, just like you cannot prove that you are not a Lizard Person to my satisfaction. Asking to disprove a negative is flawed.
There are people who have basically the exact same beliefs you have, except switch Full Tilt and Pokerstars. So yeah, you are saying the same coin is rigged to land heads while others say tails, but in the end you will likely agree something is wrong with the coin...
Seriously, either get a more logical grasp of the reality of the situation or continue to indulge in bizarre fantasies. One way will be a path for you to improve your game, the other a way to rationalize your bad results without any improvement.
I know what your opponents would prefer you choose.
All the best.
just from my own experiece,i get much more bad beats and coolers at ftp and my equity curve at ftp looks like i was a complete fish who doesn't have any skill and just play by luck.when i get lucky i win money no matter how bad i play and vice versa.
at stars,i had more than 6 buyins downswing too,but when i lose i know most of time i playe bad and when i play good,i usually win.
50K is a small sample,i just suspect that the variace at ftp is much higher than stars.there's three possibilities:
1.i am a fish and stars is helping me win consistently.
2.i am a winner and ftp is helping its fish so i get much more bad beats and coolers than my fair share so i am the victim of its high variance.
3.they are completely the same and clean.it's just normal variance,so when i play 50000k(is this enough?) hands,the equity curves should look the same.
03-28-2009
, 02:08 AM
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3.they are completely the same and clean.it's just normal variance but different sites play different due to opposition, software and a player's own preferences.
4. I am such a rigtard that when I play FTP I cannot play my A game because my tin foil hat is not protecting me against the conspiracy against me.
4. I am such a rigtard that when I play FTP I cannot play my A game because my tin foil hat is not protecting me against the conspiracy against me.
03-28-2009
, 09:02 AM
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I didn't claim it is rigged and i believe that even if it is rigged in some extent,people with enough skills should still win money.
just from my own experiece,i get much more bad beats and coolers at ftp and my equity curve at ftp looks like i was a complete fish who doesn't have any skill and just play by luck.when i get lucky i win money no matter how bad i play and vice versa.
just from my own experiece,i get much more bad beats and coolers at ftp and my equity curve at ftp looks like i was a complete fish who doesn't have any skill and just play by luck.when i get lucky i win money no matter how bad i play and vice versa.
Next time you run bad make a note of the color shirt you are wearing or what you ate that day. You may find that too is the source of the rigging. That is basically the approach you are using anyway, may as well have fun with it.
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50K is a small sample,i just suspect that the variace at ftp is much higher than stars.there's three possibilities:
1.i am a fish and stars is helping me win consistently.
2.i am a winner and ftp is helping its fish so i get much more bad beats and coolers than my fair share so i am the victim of its high variance.
3.they are completely the same and clean.it's just normal variance,so when i play 50000k(is this enough?) hands,the equity curves should look the same.
1.i am a fish and stars is helping me win consistently.
2.i am a winner and ftp is helping its fish so i get much more bad beats and coolers than my fair share so i am the victim of its high variance.
3.they are completely the same and clean.it's just normal variance,so when i play 50000k(is this enough?) hands,the equity curves should look the same.
Stop looking at your curves which are both within your expected results and assuming that something sinister is at work behind the scenes. Again, I am sorry to inform you that you do not merit any special attention, either good or bad, in terms of results from the sites.
Either become a full blown rigtard (which seems to make them feel better anyway) or accept logic and reality and work on your game. Stop being the rigtard who says he is not really a rigtard but plays one on TV. Pick a side already.
03-28-2009
, 10:16 AM
Juk
03-28-2009
, 07:48 PM
