Thank you. So the odds of seeing it 7 times in 1800 hands would be.....?

http://stattrek.com/online-calculator/binomial.aspx

- Put .002857 as the probability of success (1 in 350).

- Put 7 as the number of successes, and 1,800 for number of trials.

- Click calculate and there you go


The odds of exactly 7 happening is just over 11%

The odds of 7 or more happening is around 26%

For what its worth, even if the odds are 1 in 500 there still is above a 7% of 7 or more happening in 1,800 trials, which also would be nothing special at all. AA losing to AK in a single hand. Yawn.

-Basically you got all worked up over the equivalent of AK losing to AQ in a single hand all-in pre-flop (though some riggies believe that is proof of a rig when they lose).

You had this silly trips / 2 pairs thing going on for a while, now that you see that what you reported with your own eyes (pretending that is even accurate) is completely unremarkable, no doubt that will change your perspective quite a bit, and you will no longer be worried about trips/2 pairs when you see it in future... Of course you can always make up different pretend data in future as well.

If you still have any doubts just speak to the base support at America's Cardroom. They are there for you when you need them.

All the best.

It's un****inbelievable how I can predict each time I have the nuts and the card that comes taht will beat me and opponent ends up having it.... and it's always a ****in newbie or reg that has quit for a long time.

Or they just know that i'll never quit based on my history of play so the more I play the more EV the card shuffler will give other people instead of being totally random....

Does anyone have some data to see if everyone is fairly distributed in ev?

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but I think Kelvis might be a huge creature, a giant crustacean from the Paleolithic Era, and as such his math may be inaccurate.

I assumed the dusty "tree fitty" joke would go over grandpa's head so I even added 1 in 500 odds for him. Not like anything will change his mind anyway, but this way he gets introduced to a simple calculator site that will confuse him and he will not use for anything.

All the best.

monteroy hows life going?

cheers

Pretty good, thanks for asking. Unfortunately I have zero idea who you are, but hopefully this random, brief interaction that you initiated provided you with the emotional boost you needed for your day to make it better. I am all about helping people.

All the best.

nah bro, everything allright. was just wondering, because its never easy in the riggie thread.

easy going

Quite the contrary, this thread is as easy as it gets, because no thought is needed to participate in it. Nice brain dead activity. I did a quick search of your recent posts and you claim to lose a lost a lot at roulette, so perhaps you should take a break from those -EV games and participate here more, as that will definitely save you money. Always here to help as you know.

All the best.

wtf I didn´t even do any math but I think it might actually be close. Or at least in the right order of magnitude.

yeah i lost 10K lately at online roulette. couldnt help myself ...its really sad,i know :/

but i try to focus now on other things(not as much expensive) and was just browsing the riggie thread and saw you in there..you really got heart man i have to give you that and hope you keep entertaining.

cheers

I'm a a consistent winner on a certain Poker Network. Now, I'm not here to say that I'm a good player and certainly the fact that I might be favor in the house of the network.

Today I've suffer extreme bad beats in 6+ Holdem against a person from the date I play against him,we've played in many occasions in the past 46 days(He's a fish and will go in with any cards to bingo anyone from preflop to turn). Base on PT4, my net winnings are -$10.34 against him.

Every all in he made on the flop, he'll bingo his card on river. What I see is that he occasionally lose his all in and mostly bad beats everyone in the card room. At the end, he'll loses money. I assume that this recreational player loses so much money that the house has to give him some edge to compensate the fact that he keeps playing in the card room. The way he plays poker is the same as gambling in the casino or throwing money into the slot machine and had been consistently doing so for the past 45 days.

Here are some hand histories of him bad beating me in every all in, he'll hit his 2-3 outter on river 80% of the time.

Here are the hands of the house keeping this recreational player to generate rake. If anyone knows how to put them on replayer that would be great.

*Keep in mind, these are all six plus hold em. Three of a kind beats Straight. Flush beats Full House.*
First hand - All in on Turn with complete air and I had a straight. Not possible to lose right? Hits a 7 on River.

iPoker - €0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: €8.70 (VPIP: 20.65, PFR: 10.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.87, Hands: 1,494)
BTN: €2.98 (VPIP: 85.85, PFR: 34.63, 3Bet Preflop: 23.43, Hands: 734)
SB: €4.00 (VPIP: 44.23, PFR: 13.53, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 210)
Hero (BB): €3.09

SB posts SB €0.02, Hero posts BB €0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.06) Hero has 6 8

fold, BTN raises to €0.14, fold, Hero calls €0.10

Flop: (€0.30, 2 players) T 7 7
Hero checks, BTN bets €0.30, Hero calls €0.30

Turn: (€0.90, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, BTN bets €2.54, Hero calls €2.54

River: (€5.98, 2 players) 7

BTN shows A Q (Three of a Kind, Sevens)
(Pre 65%, Flop 60%, Turn 0%)
Hero mucks 6 8 (Straight, Ten High)
(Pre 35%, Flop 40%, Turn 100%)
BTN wins €5.59

Hand #2 - Two pair on Flop w/ JQ. He all in with KQ on flop. Bingo on River.

iPoker - €0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: €9.84 (VPIP: 20.72, PFR: 10.21, 3Bet Preflop: 0.89, Hands: 1,459)
BB: €2.06 (VPIP: 85.75, PFR: 34.59, 3Bet Preflop: 23.59, Hands: 728)
UTG: €2.36 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
CO: €3.01 (VPIP: 86.67, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
Hero (BTN): €6.28

SB posts SB €0.02, BB posts BB €0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.06) Hero has J Q

fold, CO calls €0.04, Hero calls €0.04, fold, BB raises to €0.16, CO calls €0.12, Hero calls €0.12

Flop: (€0.50, 3 players) J 8 Q
BB bets €1.90, fold, Hero calls €1.90

Turn: (€4.30, 2 players) 6

River: (€4.30, 2 players) K

Hero mucks J Q (Two Pair, Queens and Jacks)
(Pre 26%, Flop 83%, Turn 93%)
BB shows Q K (Two Pair, Kings and Queens)
(Pre 74%, Flop 17%, Turn 7%)
BB wins €4.02

Hand #3 - Bingo on the river as usual. Should I fold against him when I'm ahead?

iPoker - €0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): €4.55
BTN: €4.08 (VPIP: 33.15, PFR: 14.17, 3Bet Preflop: 2.55, Hands: 746)
SB: €2.38 (VPIP: 86.13, PFR: 38.46, 3Bet Preflop: 27.72, Hands: 514)
BB: €5.39 (VPIP: 43.35, PFR: 12.29, 3Bet Preflop: 2.64, Hands: 955)
UTG: €5.02 (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 3.23, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
MP: €4.00 (VPIP: 33.98, PFR: 7.89, 3Bet Preflop: 1.56, Hands: 1,463)

SB posts SB €0.02, BB posts BB €0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.06) Hero has 8 J

UTG calls €0.04, fold, Hero calls €0.04, fold, SB calls €0.02, BB checks

Flop: (€0.16, 4 players) K 8 J
SB bets €2.34, fold, fold, Hero calls €2.34

Turn: (€4.84, 2 players) 6

River: (€4.84, 2 players) K

Hero mucks 8 J (Two Pair, Kings and Jacks)
(Pre 38%, Flop 70%, Turn 82%)
SB shows T K (Three of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 62%, Flop 30%, Turn 18%)
SB wins €4.52

Hand #4 - Got two pair on Flop. Nice, he went full ****** and all in with one pair. Should be an easy win right? Bingo on River !

iPoker - €0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: €4.26 (VPIP: 57.93, PFR: 11.02, 3Bet Preflop: 1.10, Hands: 990)
SB: €4.22 (VPIP: 34.08, PFR: 19.58, 3Bet Preflop: 2.44, Hands: 763)
Hero (BB): €3.14
UTG: €7.44 (VPIP: 44.44, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
CO: €1.77 (VPIP: 86.44, PFR: 38.72, 3Bet Preflop: 27.00, Hands: 615)

SB posts SB €0.02, Hero posts BB €0.04, CO posts penalty blind €0.06

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.12) Hero has J A

fold, CO checks, BTN raises to €0.12, fold, Hero raises to €0.36, CO calls €0.32, BTN calls €0.24

Flop: (€1.12, 3 players) J 7 T
Hero bets €0.72, CO raises to €1.39, fold, Hero calls €0.67

Turn: (€3.90, 2 players) K

River: (€3.90, 2 players) 7

CO shows 7 6 (Three of a Kind, Sevens)
(Pre 40%, Flop 23%, Turn 11%)
Hero mucks J A (Two Pair, Jacks and Sevens)
(Pre 60%, Flop 77%, Turn 89%)
CO wins €3.64

Hand #5 - All in with trash hand K6. Obviously got him cover and put it in good as usual. Hitting two sixes against AK suited.

iPoker - €0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: €8.76 (VPIP: 20.75, PFR: 10.23, 3Bet Preflop: 0.87, Hands: 1,487)
CO: €1.54 (VPIP: 85.81, PFR: 34.58, 3Bet Preflop: 23.43, Hands: 731)
BTN: €5.01 (VPIP: 47.62, PFR: 5.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
Hero (SB): €4.63

Hero posts SB €0.02, BB posts BB €0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.06) Hero has K A

CO raises to €0.20, fold, Hero raises to €1.56, fold, CO calls €1.34

Flop: (€3.12, 2 players) 6 7 Q

Turn: (€3.12, 2 players) 6

River: (€3.12, 2 players) K

CO shows 6 K (Full House, Sixes full of Kings)
(Pre 28%, Flop 81%, Turn 100%)
Hero shows K A (Two Pair, Kings and Sixes)
(Pre 72%, Flop 19%, Turn 0%)
CO wins €2.92
Hero wins €0.02

Hand #6 - Got two pair on flop w/ AK. All in on flop with 10 6 with One pair.
Hitting two outter on river. Amazing.


iPoker - €0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): €4.54
BB: €4.81 (VPIP: 33.12, PFR: 13.77, 3Bet Preflop: 2.48, Hands: 789)
CO: €1.28 (VPIP: 86.47, PFR: 40.04, 3Bet Preflop: 27.54, Hands: 549)
BTN: €10.16 (VPIP: 33.94, PFR: 7.80, 3Bet Preflop: 1.51, Hands: 1,506)

Hero posts SB €0.02, BB posts BB €0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.06) Hero has A K

CO calls €0.04, fold, Hero raises to €0.32, fold, CO calls €0.28

Flop: (€0.68, 2 players) K A T
Hero checks, CO bets €0.96, Hero calls €0.96

Turn: (€2.60, 2 players) 8

River: (€2.60, 2 players) T

CO shows 9 T (Three of a Kind, Tens)
(Pre 37%, Flop 14%, Turn 5%)
Hero mucks A K (Two Pair, Aces and Kings)
(Pre 63%, Flop 86%, Turn 95%)
CO wins €2.43


I had more bad beats against him but I did not use PokerTracker at the time.

How could he win every single hand when I'm in favor when he all ins? The first day I met him, I went all in with AA, he called with KJ. Hit a J on Turn. Another one on River.

I think it is unfair for the poker network to balance the recreational players from losing and take the money from the reg to create action flops because the recreational player played bad in the game. It is their responsibility to not gamble when they don't have an edge in the game.

solid evidence
6 hands
/ thread

well, I feel convinced

I would not even bother playing Poker in 2017 OP the whole industry online is now firmly biased towards fish protection in there algorithms.

I had the same on Unibet tonight heads up 7x all in pre for a stack with a manic playing Omaha A4C with a 70% plus advantage each time lost every one!

Before they used to handicap your winnings now they just out right turn it into rake protection with there post flop algorithms.

BTN shows A Q (Three of a Kind, Sevens)
(Pre 65%, Flop 60%, Turn 0%)
Hero mucks 6 8 (Straight, Ten High)

If 3 of a kind beats a straight, wouldn't you have 3 of a kind also and not a straight? (Albeit you'd still lose on the kicker?)

Given that on the same hand it shows Hero with 100% equity on the turn, I don't think PT recognizes that 3 of a kind beats a straight in this game, and therefore shows what it thinks is his highest hand - a straight.

NVM - missed this is 6+ Holdem - sorry

I think he was being sarcastic because the 7 on the river made absolutely no difference, the hand was already over.

No - look up the rules for 6+ holdem, they're different.

3 of a kind > straight in 6+ because, I suppose, it has no 2-5 cards and thus getting 3 of a kind is now harder?... not really sure, no interest in that game. Had to google it.

Is this why people think online poker is rigged?

I hate to say it, but Ignition is rigged to the max. Sure bad beats occur, but not 10 hands in a row. The site is like WSEX a few years ago, rigged to the max. I shut down my account after two days play. It seems they want you to steam so you deposit more money because the players are so bad. Only problem is the bad players are house players who never lose.

can you show us your evidence that has lead you to this conclusion?

Show me the evidence of this happening. I've played over 1 million hands on bovada/ignition and I never had 10 bad beats in a row.

Take it for what its worth- one man's opinion. I play limit poker and what I witnessed on Ignition is impossible to occur. I have played on Party, Full Tilt, Pokerstars, Absolute (talking about the RNG here, not the super user fiasco) and live. All the aforementioned sites were legitimate and I can not claim otherwise, but on Ignition the beats are impossible to fathom. Mind you this is limit poker and they come right in a row. No limit you won't play as many hands in a row as limit. Either I am the unluckiest man in the world or something is rotten on Ignition.