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View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
Yes
3,502 34.89%
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5,607 55.86%
Undecided
929 9.25%

04-08-2014 , 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
Yeah, Im sure you can start saving up someday after you finally become capable of earning $50 to get your sister a present.

Good luck with that. Keep hope alive.
I don't need hope, I'm already half way there


I'm not only there because I'm a degen

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and the flips haven't been any good for me

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Anywayss, 2 more weeks and it's done.
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04-08-2014 , 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by franxic
Aaaand they say that is probably because of colluding bots (iPoker has a long history of accepting bots on their site). Which is bad (I personally wouldn't play there), but is completely different from a rigged rng.

Did you miss that, or did you ignore to try and prove your point?
Did you miss this also you uneducated mule,

2) The bias could be due to rigging of the deal!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How about you show me the evidence that that online poker is NOT rigged.
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04-08-2014 , 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Vik_Fisk
Did you miss this also you uneducated mule,

2) The bias could be due to rigging of the deal!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow, talk about taking things out of context. How about I paste the entire paragraph for you:

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2) The bias could be due to rigging of the deal. However, this also seems unlikely because if this was the case the bias would likely be more widespread and show up fairly consistently in samples C, D, E, F, G, H. It could be argued that different dealing algorithms could be used for different stakes and games but that is a question that we cannot answer.
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04-08-2014 , 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Wow, talk about taking things out of context. How about I paste the entire paragraph for you:
It could be argued that different dealing algorithms could be used for different stakes and games.

How is this random?

I am supposes to swallow that there is some major bot ring are all colluding like some sci-fi movie and different algorithms are running when the simple truth is its rigged.

Anyone got that link that shows evidence that online poker is NOT rigged?
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04-08-2014 , 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Vik_Fisk
Anyone got that link that shows evidence that online poker is NOT rigged?

You should learn to keep all of your hand histories for analysis. Most competent players do this. This allows you to improve your game by studying your hands and correcting flaws in your game.

And although its not really the point of doing it, you can also verify that the deal is fine if you are one that has a tendency to blame others for your own failures.

Good luck.
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04-08-2014 , 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Vik_Fisk
It could be argued that different dealing algorithms could be used for different stakes and games.

How is this random?
It wouldn't be, of course. That was sort of the point they were making. It was one of three different proposed explanations for the results they found.

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Originally Posted by Vik_Fisk
I am supposes to swallow that there is some major bot ring are all colluding like some sci-fi movie and different algorithms are running when the simple truth is its rigged.
Swallow whatever you like - you're the one who provided the site as proof that online poker is rigged, when it actually suggests that as only one of three possibilities, and deemed it unlikely. If you don't agree with them, that's up to you, but in that case it was kind of silly to provide the site as evidence.

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Originally Posted by Vik_Fisk
Anyone got that link that shows evidence that online poker is NOT rigged?
You already gave us one, but apparently you didn't like their conclusions.
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04-08-2014 , 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
It wouldn't be, of course. That was sort of the point they were making. It was one of three different proposed explanations for the results they found.

You already gave us one, but apparently you didn't like their conclusions.

I just go with this one out of 3 as the evidence supports this in a 4.2 deviation.

The bias could be due to rigging of the deal
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04-08-2014 , 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Vik_Fisk
I just go with this one out of 3 as the evidence supports this in a 4.2 deviation.

The bias could be due to rigging of the deal
Did you realize that you need to prove it is rigged? Braindead moron troll, gtfo
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04-08-2014 , 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Rig Astley
Did you realize that i need to prove it is NOT rigged? Braindead moron troll, gtfo, btw i also like to touch myself while looking at pictures of men
FYP.
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04-08-2014 , 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Vik_Fisk
FYP.
Got pictures of yourself in underwear? Please PM.

Last edited by Rig Astley; 04-08-2014 at 07:32 AM. Reason: wth. post em here :)
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04-08-2014 , 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Rig Astley
Lol, see? Rigtards are too stupid to use the forum properly, but they are masters as poker
That's what she said.

Spoiler:
How many D u eat a day?
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04-08-2014 , 07:50 AM
An interesting way to see how things have changed is by looking at the quality of the riggies/whiners. In the "good old days" this was the guy who everyone loved to see whine on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uljSARmMDY


He actually had money (he lost more in that one hand than most riggies here have ever had in their life) and was funny. Now we get disposable donks whining about running bad at 2NL.

A natural part of industry maturation, but hopefully a riggie will appear again that stands out in some way in future.

All the best.
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04-08-2014 , 08:02 AM
Well it's time for the latest installment of rigged online poker BS it seems.

Since my last post, Pokerstars have given me some good cards and allowed me to run the balance up a bit. Clearly they saw this thread and knew I was onto them so they took the doomswitch off for a bit. But they've put it back on today! Look at the BS I've had to put up with in just 1000 hands.

First hand is standard bull****. I get QQ, but oh look, the fish in the big blind has AA!


CO: $7.91 (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 12)
Hero (BTN): $13.23
SB: $10.40 (VPIP: 15.35, PFR: 11.39, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 211)
BB: $8.13 (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
UTG: $28.25 (VPIP: 20.40, PFR: 17.94, 3Bet Preflop: 8.05, Hands: 469)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, BB raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $1.23, BB raises to $8.13, Hero calls $6.90

Flop: ($16.31, 2 players) 2 2 2

Turn: ($16.31, 2 players) T

River: ($16.31, 2 players) T

Hero shows Q Q (Full House, Twos full of Queens) (Pre 18%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
BB shows A A (Full House, Twos full of Aces) (Pre 82%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)
BB wins $15.50




Oh and check out this garbage. This short stack donkey setmines without the implied odds but Stars give him his magic card anyway. Obviously I get an ace too so I'll stack off.



MP: $10.38 (VPIP: 34.48, PFR: 24.14, 3Bet Preflop: 2.78, Hands: 90)
CO: $12.50 (VPIP: 16.55, PFR: 11.72, 3Bet Preflop: 9.80, Hands: 145)
BTN: $10.66 (VPIP: 20.13, PFR: 16.88, 3Bet Preflop: 5.17, Hands: 156)
SB: $6.31 (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
Hero (BB): $10.64
UTG: $10.00 (VPIP: 27.72, PFR: 22.56, 3Bet Preflop: 6.41, Hands: 279)

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A K

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $0.60, SB calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.20, 2 players) 3 A 9
SB checks, Hero bets $0.60, SB raises to $1.20, Hero raises to $1.80, SB raises to $2.40, Hero calls $0.60

Turn: ($6.00, 2 players) 8
SB bets $3.31, Hero calls $3.31

River: ($12.62, 2 players) 2

SB shows 9 9 (Three of a Kind, Nines) (Pre 55%, Flop 95%, Turn 100%)
Hero shows A K (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 45%, Flop 5%, Turn 0%)
SB wins $11.99





And this one just takes the piss. Another stupid gay ass river card to beat my top pair hand with a junky 2 pair combo.



BB: $14.67 (VPIP: 14.63, PFR: 11.22, 3Bet Preflop: 1.12, Hands: 300)
Hero (UTG): $12.50
CO: $10.00 (VPIP: 21.79, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 82)
BTN: $8.90 (VPIP: 29.76, PFR: 1.99, 3Bet Preflop: 2.77, Hands: 530)
SB: $10.00 (VPIP: 23.15, PFR: 18.52, 3Bet Preflop: 7.32, Hands: 110)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A Q

Hero raises to $0.30, CO calls $0.30, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.75, 2 players) 7 A T
Hero bets $0.56, CO calls $0.56

Turn: ($1.87, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, CO bets $1.30, Hero calls $1.30

River: ($4.47, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, CO bets $2.80, Hero calls $2.80

CO shows 8 7 (Two Pair, Eights and Sevens) (Pre 40%, Flop 25%, Turn 30%)
Hero mucks A Q (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 60%, Flop 75%, Turn 70%)
CO wins $9.57





It is impossible to win over on Pokerstars. Donkeys calling raises with 87, minraising AA, and setmining without the implied odds all make it. Do I manage to spike a Q against AA? Of course I don't. I never get to suck out on the donks. The Pokerstars donk protection team is out in force today.
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04-08-2014 , 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
Since my last post, Pokerstars have given me some good cards and allowed me to run the balance up a bit. Clearly they saw this thread and knew I was onto them so they took the doomswitch off for a bit.
Would you like to purchase a tinfoil hat? Special offer only for you today: Get one for the price of two!
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04-08-2014 , 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
Since my last post, Pokerstars have given me some good cards and allowed me to run the balance up a bit. Clearly they saw this thread and knew I was onto them so they took the doomswitch off for a bit.
How do they know your user name?


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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
It is impossible to win over on Pokerstars.
Quit playing poker there, or at least post less boring beats.


All the best.


P.S. The 99 hand vs your AK is not "set mining" as what happens if the flop is something like 8 5 2 or even 10 4 3. Is he still set mining vs your ace high at that point? A better example of set mining would be your hand where you played QQ and lacked the ability to determine what a normal players 4 bet range at that buy in level tends to be, but Stars did not reward the donk in that hand. You were "top pair mining" on that first hand . Solid checking on that last hand on the turn as well, post those three hands in any strategy forum for advice or in the BBV forum for some real advice (no one expects you to have the courage to do that).

Last edited by Monteroy; 04-08-2014 at 08:52 AM.
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04-08-2014 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
How do they know your user name?




Quit playing poker there, or at least post less boring beats.


All the best.


P.S. The 99 hand vs your AK is not "set mining" as what happens if the flop is something like 8 5 2 or even 10 4 3. Is he still set mining vs your ace high at that point? A better example of set mining would be your hand where you played QQ and lacked the ability to determine what a normal players 4 bet range at that buy in level tends to be, but Stars did not reward the donk in that hand. You were "top pair mining" on that first hand . Solid checking on that last hand on the turn as well, post those three hands in any strategy forum for advice or in the BBV forum for some real advice (no one expects you to have the courage to do that).
They know my username as 2+2 is run by Pokerstars and they will share IP addresses with each other, and match my username on the site to my IP when I post here. Plus it's well known Stars puts software on your computer so they can spy on what you're doing, under the guise of preventing players using forbidden programs, but it'd be quite easy for them to check what username I as posting under using their spying software.

And derp, minraises are not proper 3bets. Clearly I have to stack off here but oh look Stars gives him one of the two hands that beat me!

And my turn check was to induce spaz by second pair hands that don't put me on an ace. If I bet again myself I don't get called by anything other than an ace. My play was perfect but oh look Stars gives the donkey his river card to win.
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04-08-2014 , 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey
If you can prove that you have never masturbated to child porn, I will give you $1,000,000.
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Originally Posted by Rig Astley
Got pictures of yourself in underwear? Please PM.
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
The regs in this thread certainly have interesting fantasies and obsessions.
FTFY.

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Originally Posted by Monteroy
All the best.
Hook, line and sinker.

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04-08-2014 , 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
They know my username as 2+2 is run by Pokerstars and they will share IP addresses with each other, and match my username on the site to my IP when I post here. Plus it's well known Stars puts software on your computer so they can spy on what you're doing, under the guise of preventing players using forbidden programs, but it'd be quite easy for them to check what username I as posting under using their spying software.
Doesn't get better than this.
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04-08-2014 , 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ktnxbye
Doesn't get better than this.
he is ****ing sick.
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04-08-2014 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ktnxbye
Doesn't get better than this.
You need to educate yourself about the software Pokerstars puts on your computer when you install the client. They can see what you are doing on your computer while you are on Pokerstars. So if you've ever posted on here while also having Pokerstars open, they know about it.

They say they're only checking to make sure people aren't using forbidden programs while playing but the reality is they can and are spying on you.
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04-08-2014 , 11:35 AM
Also check out this latest bull**** from Stars. I get it in pre as a massive favourite but oh look the donkey gets a flush!! Always the river card isn't it?


CO: $16.98 (VPIP: 37.27, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 112)
BTN: $3.44 (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
Hero (SB): $10.00
BB: $14.64 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
UTG: $10.00 (VPIP: 13.88, PFR: 9.80, 3Bet Preflop: 5.68, Hands: 255)
MP: $3.63 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 10)

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has Q Q

fold, MP raises to $0.26, fold, BTN raises to $3.44 and is all-in, Hero raises to $10.00, fold, fold

Flop: ($7.24, 2 players) 2 5 9

Turn: ($7.24, 2 players) 9

River: ($7.24, 2 players) 4

BTN shows T K (Flush, King High) (Pre 33%, Flop 17%, Turn 25%)
Hero shows Q Q (Two Pair, Queens and Nines) (Pre 67%, Flop 83%, Turn 75%)
BTN wins $6.88
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04-08-2014 , 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatEveryDay
Also check out this latest bull**** from Stars. I get it in pre as a massive favourite but oh look the donkey gets a flush!! Always the river card isn't it?
A massive favorite with 67% equity. So it should lose a third of the time.

There is no flop or turn or river equity for a preflop all-in, those cards are dealt together with no action. That's like saying there is a 100% chance you are a moron after you already take the IQ test.

Last edited by NewOldGuy; 04-08-2014 at 11:51 AM.
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04-08-2014 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ktnxbye
Doesn't get better than this.
Off-course this is going a bit to far, but I would consider it not that funny. This is a serious condition in this day and age, where people start losing faith in their own agency. They have the feeling that they are controlled by companies and governments and that they are trapped into all sort of things. Off-course a guy like Monteroy finds that very funny, that guy made his day, but it is a pretty serious mental problem. Beside that there is some justification for this kind of thoughts. As 'shills' you should be able to put this in perspective, but unfortunately most of the 'shills' are just as blind as most riggies.
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04-08-2014 , 11:57 AM
The Tuff Fish guy I linked was funny. This guy is just boring, and I would never suggest he is funny, because he is hardly entertaining at all. I am completely indifferent about his mental condition, he can believe what he wants. I would say if he does believe all that stuff then he should just post his whiny crazy from a different computer at an internet cafe or coffee shop, but no doubt he would adjust his belief to account for the overlords following him there or something.

Standard, boring paranoia - the stuff people yell at the clouds about on street corners, nothing more.

If you feel bad for him then PM him and take some of your time to help him, otherwise you are basically indifferent to his mental plight as well, regardless of whether or not you feel morally superior discussing it.

All the best.
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04-08-2014 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
The Tuff Fish guy I linked was funny. This guy is just boring, and I would never suggest he is funny, because he is hardly entertaining at all. I am completely indifferent about his mental condition, he can believe what he wants. I would say if he does believe all that stuff then he should just post his whiny crazy from a different computer at an internet cafe or coffee shop, but no doubt he would adjust his belief to account for the overlords following him there or something.

Standard, boring paranoia - the stuff people yell at the clouds about on street corners, nothing more.

If you feel bad for him then PM him and take some of your time to help him, otherwise you are basically indifferent to his mental plight as well, regardless of whether or not you feel morally superior.

All the best.
What happened Monteroy in your life that you are so bitter? To many bad beats?
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