When they get employed by Pokerstars I suppose. Because long term, you aint winning at any level unless you're one of the Stars superusers or a high stakes site sponsor.

The solid players lose to the donks. The donks make money up to a point, but will lose it to the superusers. So donks are slight winners or breakeven, solid players are big losers. And the big winner? The guys who run the Stars superuser accounts. Unless you've got one of those accounts online poker is pointless to play for big profits.

Don't do it "long term." Just create the accounts and do it short term and have your first withdraw be the only withdraw. Repeat many times on all the sites. Call your new business Gnomes-R-Us.

Make millions if your belief of the rig is true. After you can visit the 2NL tables and laugh, while making it rain with the Washingtons, like the baller you will become.

Troll better with made up theories that are not very easy to exploit. Your latest idiot troll theory can be exploited just with a simple variation of old time bonus whoring.

Add in elements like the weather, the earth's magnetic field etc into the mix!


All the best.

I bet BBED says that his high-school tests are rigged if he failed one

any1 that plays on 888 network doesn't think its "unusual" ? I just laugh now, most hands I'm not involved and seems like the best hand always loses.

I'm starting to get sick of that thing, it's like I lose no matter what.

FKN badbeat generator.

According to PT4 I'm 53% ITM, 29% 1st place. So with no badbeats I would be at 70%+ ITM probably 40%+ 1st place. So yeah it's fk annoying but it's good to get discipline, but fk bad cause I'm wasting time on this fk micro's when I have skill to play higher levels.


I get busted by maniacs, even fk passive fish that keeps folding on 5bb stack.

as I was writing this lost T8 vs T5 on T85 flop, 5 on river. had 2500 chips fish had 500. Next hand I've AJs I go allin he calls 78 hits 8. Last hand for the rest of my chips, had 44 he had A2 flop 45x turn 3 river x. On the other table also made it to HU and won with my Q2 against villians A2. Then lost all KQ on K4 (hits 4)

Everyhand is a fk badbeat, and I would advise not to play on 888 network. I've played on most networks and they're all better than 888. My advise is obviously PokerStars, I've played there about a year, and it's the best software around. (loved hotkeys).

Most people never post in threads like this, and if someone posted in a thread like this that nothing unusual was found they would be tagged a shill.

Usually in poker the best hand at the end wins, so perhaps you are playing a different variation you do not understand (like Razz where the lowest hand wins). You certainly can post hands where the worst hand at the end wins, or also simply exploit the rig by playing the worst hand all the time.




As said, be the one playing the worse hands, or quit all forms of poker.

Be the one that generates the bad beats by playing the worse hands.

What would you say to the riggies who say Stars is rigged , like these?


Stars Rebuy Riggie (even though no rake is charged on rebuys):

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=63392
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=63395

Stars is Rigged Full Tilt is Not Rigged Riggie:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...49&postcount=4



Don't forget to vote in the thread like you did with your last account that posted the identical riggie beliefs that got banned. The rigged side needs more support from riggies who vote often with multiple accounts as even with that they cannot get much above 35% support in a riggie thread, which is not impressive.


888 is Rigged, Stars is Not Rigged Riggie

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=66193


All the best.

Within realistic bounds, I can say that there are no known "shills" in this thread or in the forum. Once someone is discovered to be affiliated with a site, they are either banned or told not to post in any promotional manner. Usually it's quite obvious that, say, they post only in threads about a particular site, or mention a site or product in all or most of their posts.

As this thread is mainly for the few players who are ill-educated in statistics and basic numeracy, who rely on "feelings" to make their decisions and conclusions, it is quite obvious to all but those few that it would be a waste of time, effort and money for a site to spend any time giving the truthful and statistical reasons to them as to why they continually lose their money, and yet come back every day to lose more.

The players who understand the game and its possible outcomes on every hand are amused and somewhat bewildered by the strange and unlikely beliefs held by the game-uneducated, and have fun prodding them with sticks. How you can mistake these people for shills gives you an even higher rating on the tin-foil-hat-brigade scale.

What if the rig is rigged

What if there is a poker god

Yesterday I saw 3 quads. Today I saw 1 (flop) royal flush (mine) and 1 quads (my AK vs J7 flop JJJ). On about 500 hands yesterday and 200 today.

I got dealt 66 3 times in a row. 1 guy got dealt twice AA and I beat him both times, firt with Q9 made 2 pair (had about 3 BB's on SB) next hand he open shoves I call QQ and get runner runner str8.

It's not impossible but I've never seen that on pokerstars, but you tell me you're the pro.

I had 2x quads + a straight flush (all me) within 11 mins on stars (4-tabling 6-max hypers)

Edit: and its still not rigged

How can you be so sure ? that's what 100 hands ? in 100 hands having all that is pretty much impossible. ask video poker developers

Do you know the odds of having quads or a straight flush?

Always confused me why that number would be so high, now I'm like LDO. Wouldn't be surprised a riggie once used that as proof. LOL

Sums up the shill topic iyam. Solid post again MH.

The bold is what makes me question the maturity level of 2+2 mods. Considering the fact that you have some sort of job to do at 2+2, I don't get how allowing posters to intentionally make fun of other posters ITT helps accomplish the goal of relegating unproven beliefs of rigging to a single thread. If this thread indeed is to quarantine the site from unproven rig claims, it would make far more sense, imo, to limit this thread to mature debate/discussion, not encouraging ridicule to seemingly attempt to shame posters into taking their rig concerns elsewhere. However if what 2+2 really desires is for anyone with unproven rig concerns to NOT post such things on their site at all, then put that in the TOS and ban those that still do so, instead of this childish practice of gathering anyone with such concerns in one place so others can "have fun prodding them with sticks".

You misunderstand this thread's purpose. It's not really for discussion, it's literally just to keep screaming idiots locked up in one area instead of clogging up the Internet Poker forum.

And when somebody comes up with real evidence there will be made a separate thread.

His response is amusing, and a flat out lie as there is a regular poster in this thread in particular with multiple accounts that works for Pokerstars.

Feel free to explain how MH lied about Josem.

I really don't care. I have no problems with him, but to say there are no shills or props/affiliates in here is a pretty redicilous statement and not just for Pokerstars, there are others including that site that have posted under different aliases.

Lets not lose focus though. Online Poker is rigged. I saw

And my observations are that it's not rigged

It's fairly obvious he was referring to affiliates as in "shills" (or for example, the Real Deal poker crew), and not affiliates as in clearly marked site reps.

Quarantine is a good word, but this thread is actually more a dumping ground for the trolls' anti-site rantings and the loonies' ever-changing and ridiculous rig theories. Please read the thread again and if you see one single riggie's post that contains any sound substance worthy of "mature debate/discussion", please let me know. OTOH, you will see scores, if not hundreds, of posts from the non-riggie side that fall under the mature, useful and sensible heading. Unfortunately, these fall on deaf ears and there is never any reciprocal mature debate/discussion from the riggies.

However, I'm always one to try to live and learn. Please demonstrate over the next month or so how to have mature debate with, say, futballer and BadBeatEveryDay. It will be interesting to see if you can get either one of them to leave anything behind that shouldn't be poked with a stick.

Agree.

Seeing is no proof. Here are my favorite optical examples of "You see it, your brain tells you it's so, but it simply is not true."

as a pyromaniac, i'm thinking of moving up in stakes where they'll respect my blazes...
(pretty good one, huh?...ah come on)!

I have a simple way to do just that and it won't take a month to demonstrate. If I feel I can't engage someone in a mature manner, for whatever reason, I simply don't engage them at all or least very little, not post after post, page after page berating them. Seems to me if that simple practice could be enforced ITT, it would be more successful as a "dumping ground". The way it stands now, it makes sense that posters are accused of being shills and accusations that Mods are implicit in it because this thread comes across as more of a deterrent from daring to question the fairness of online poker without irrefutable proof than one for centralizing debate/discussion over unproven concerns about it.

You are say this thread is a place for unproven rig claims, that since they are unproven don't deserve mature debate/discussion but if they contained "sound substance", they wouldn't be ITT, they'd be moved elsewhere. So I go back to my original notion, that this thread is not meant for debate or discussion but meant to deter posters from posting unproven claims on 2+2, when 2+2 could simply make posting unproven rig claims a violation of the TOS. Instead what happens is posters thinking this thread is actually a thread to debate/discuss unproven rig claims, find this poorly moderated cluster instead.

The immature posts I see from general posters are to be expected on the internet but it's somewhat personally disconcerting to see Mods condoning and sometimes participating in it ITT.