That would be him basking in the warmth ,when he rivers you . Of course if you hang on to win then it would be your superior genious ...kicking in..

I love hanging on to win...so I guess I AM a "genious"...thanks

No. If you are deep and in position calling ep raises with speculative hands, especially against tight openers is profitable. They play like AA, KK, QQ most of the rest they will limp call from early position and they are damned if they are going to let it go post.

S/c, small pairs, suited one gappers. Calling a 4 or 5x pre to win 200bb makes sense. Don't get married to one pair hands and when the flop gives you a draw, don't expect to be able to raise them off their hand.
When you hit the flop hard, bet it hard, very unlikely they will ever fold post flop but will storm off moaning about rigged poker (on line) or rigged auto shuffle machines / **** dealers / unlucky dealers.
They will also call you all sorts of **** for calling so weak pre, smile sweetly at them as you count their chips into your stack.

Don't do it against a lag, their range is rarely strong enough to continue so you lose as you can't get paid when you eventually hit it hard.

given your vulpine nature , I often find your questions of a rhetorical air.....Hence to be ignored as you astutely steer toward the payoff...

Has that Full Deck every replied to a post? He just comes here to post unverified bad beat whines in his penny games and then vanishes. Other than bringing in a "US is rigged " element which we all (aside from some naive riggies) knew would happen, what purpose does that guy serve? I know the thread is barely moderated, but one of the few things that seems to not be tolerated are when people who just spam a no content bad beat blog. Additionally, they clog up the space for up and coming riggies with more promise who will at least try to debate their crazy.

In this case, nothing about my questions was rhetorical. The purpose of me asking you questions like those above is to make you question your own conclusions (and I urge you to reply because this is a debate). I find that the learning effect is much bigger by figuring something out by oneself as opposed to just reading a counter-argument. I'm sure I've been successful quite a few times in this regard, it's just that you won't admit it.

Here's another example:



Let's assume [A] is right and they exploit the program like you did. How come the pokersite(s) countered your exploit with an adjusted algorithm while the professional players are able to maintain their hourly rates on a constant basis? Let's ignore the shortterm impact of variance for once.

Let's then assume [B] is right and they have done their homework to become very good at hand reading, position play, etc. Ie. they know when and how to keep pots small (or even fold), when and how to get the most out of their strong hands, and when and how to bluff. This brings up the question you left out: What prevents you from doing the same?

Put yo money where yo mouth is, boy.



I must be getting to Freddie. It's the kicked dog that yelps.

Nope. If I wanted to ignore what people had to say I would not come into this thread. I like reading both sides it makes for an endless argument. Is it every site that is hard to take or is it just some of the sites?

my comeback of the year: (so far)

came from behind to bink my last sng of the night. down to under 3bb pre-bubble after losing a flip. smacking flops & puttin' em' in cages all day today, too. it's gonna be a good year...guess I oughta be posting in the good beats thread...let's hope this year will continue to bring more options for u.s. players....peace

I can't tell this thread from BBV anymore. Apparently, some of recent/new posters can't either.

I just had the absolute worst session of PLO possible... too bad the HH isn't working now (so ****ing annoying when I can't access the HH in the middle of a game, everyone has this problem right?)

Literally guy calling me down with bottom pair, no draws with 1 to come when I have open ender, NFD, and all 4 overs were live (I'm pretty sure). Then I reload to get my money back from him (had position) and the guy to my left calls my PSBs with a naked gutshot vs my 2pr and obv rivers it for 200+ bbs.

Don't ask why I got it in that deep with 2pr, the whole table minus one guy was playing just horrid and I figured I had the best of it (and did). I'll post HH's in here to show how asinine this **** was. Blows my mind how people play like this, and if I believed in bots that cheat for the site, this would be a highly questionable session. Unreal.

Fwiw, these were not the only hands, I just can't remember them all.

edit: one hand I have TJXXcc, flop is QKAcc he bets I raise he calls, turn Xc (I have 2nd nut), he bets I raise he calls, river Ax, he bets min (this is how bad it was) and I sigh call and he obv shows AAXXr. Then he proceeds to talk **** and I have to turn chat off because I was so close to punching my laptop after the 3rd perfect card for big pots, and it's not like he plays them well or has a ton of equity, he just gets there when the pot is bloated with almost no equity in the hand prior.

It's been like that since I got here. I guess I never looked, I ASSUMED this thread WAS in BBV. It's like listening to Yoko Ono giving birth to an oversized crab rangoon. When you think about it, that's all the riggiots are. They're bad players with the added burden of an inflated ego and without the benefit of math. Some of those egos are much, much larger than others, gotta say.

But it's a hoot. You can get a hoot.

On a serious note: this is exactly right. Thinking that its rigged is just a form of laziness. It's an excuse to avoid putting in the hard work it takes to be a winning player. It's tough. So much easier to blame it on things you can't control. I used to be semi-riggy and then I decided to focus solely on what I can control in poker. I'm not the worlds best yet but I've improved a hell of a lot.

I have never understood this behavior. If you played video games you were probably the type to throw their controller. I never understood why you would break your own stuff. I understand your mad but man if you break your own things that just means you are throwing more money out the window. Or maybe you have never done those things and just looking for attention over here.

That hand where the person river calls is where frustration got the best of you. Happens to everyone but that is usually a sign where it maybe time to take a break.

29% my ass. Its a flip at best and I seem to be underdog to any ace because they hit it so often. Its just unbelievable how often they hit 3 outers, its a joke. KK against any ace and your dead. Just fold pre.

I hear you. And I don't think I ever threw a video game controller in frustration. Maybe a few times as a joke. And I realize breaking my own stuff isn't helpful. It isn't always easy to control your emotions while playing poker. I find it much easier during live poker since you only play 25 or so hands an hour. But I've played much more online poker than live. And you have to make so many more decisions so quickly (assuming you are playing a large number of tables). And sometimes there are really really bad stretches that start to get to you a little.

Here is a graph I posted a few years ago: http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/f...to8-6-10-1.jpg

Do you see that approximately 500,000 hand breakeven stretch?


I'm certainly not proud of it, but I can admit that during that stretch I did the following: (1) chucked my phone into the wall and chipped the antenna (old flip phone ... kept using it anyway and either way not much of a loss [it is gone now]); (2) broke a large screen monitor my wife got me (barely shook it IMO and it just broke); and (3) put a small hole in the wall of the apartment I was living in at the time by shoving my computer monitor back into it (wall broke too easily I think).

(Unrelated, also spilled a ton of raspberry iced tea on one section of the carpet in my apartment leaving a large pink stain. When I moved out, got my whole security deposit back somehow without any questions.)

Some riggies break more than controllers.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...r-pics-920492/

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...sk-pic-701345/

That guy played games for under $5 each by the way.

magnets

I understand it and I've never thrown a controller. Wanted to, sure.

When you put a lot of effort into something and you get worse results than if you had spent that time picking lint out of your ***crack, it can definitely have the effect of making you want to express anger. You'd understand someone tilting then going off to punch a bag, right? Well breaking stuff is just punching something that isn't designed to be punched because something that is designed to be punched isn't handy.

This.

I did broke a controller once. Playing Black ops and some guy was shooting my balls off. I always throw my controller on the couch when I am pissed but now it bounced back and smacked the ground. With poker I broke one mouse. I seem a bit fixated on this thing when I am angry. When I am pissed I mostly take a shower. Some days I am the most clean guy on the earth. By the way, they say that HU hyper is very tilting but I do not know if that is actually true. Mostly you are playing one table and after the game is finish you need to start another game, which gives you a small break. With multi-tabling tournaments I think this is way harder as you are forced to keep on playing even though your mental state doesn't allow it.

You single table HU hypers?

For some people it is. Personally, since games end so quick, I find being able to start with a full stack to be anti-tilting. Plus, someone recently suggested only making your EV line visible. I've started doing that and I could care ****-all about my results if my EV line is going up. And it always is.

Can't speak for laurents but I single-table HU hyps. Not sure I know how to play 'em, no point in losing money twice as fast while learning half as much.

This is how I feel single-tabling HU hyps.



This is how I feel when I multi-table HU hyps.



Managed to get a threadsaver in there at the same time.

Nice one. I had to look but with configure my graph it is possible to only see my EV line. I am going to try this way of playing. I mostly play single-table. Sometimes I double but I doubt if my results give back my rake. Maybe it is even but not worth it to multi-table. It is sometimes very tempting to multi-table if you can not find the flow but I do not think it will bring you that much.

I generally three table hu hypers. If I feel my results are off a bit over any period of time or if I notice I'm playing too ABC or catch a couple mistakes in quick succession, I go back to two tabling until i'm feeling I'm running smoothly again. When you're learning to play hypers, i do not recommend anything more than two tabling, and if any of the above happens, go back to single tabling.