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12-29-2013 , 08:52 PM
i honestly would not be surprised if Freddie Rivers worked for or was affiliated with Sheldon Adelson's campaign against online poker. i have no proof just saying
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12-29-2013 , 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunslinger1988
Mabye it is not just No Limit Holdem.

Pretty amazing price for me to get scooped on both of these Omaha/8 flops.

This is just a small picture of my Sunday. It is hard to not want to throw the laptop off the balcony.
Welcome to omaha. Yes you were kind of unlucky in both hands, but hand 1 in particular is super standard. Villain can not be expected to fold there at any point.

Hand 2, yes his flop call is optimistic, after that pretty standard.

Both hands you lost an unnecessary bet on the river.
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12-29-2013 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by njpokerplayer24
i honestly would not be surprised if Freddie Rivers worked for or was affiliated with Sheldon Adelson's campaign against online poker. i have no proof just saying
Lol I just googled the guy , He is a bigger hipocrit than the online operators. His is just self interest , he makes his money in land based casinos. I just want poker regulated by True North American gaming authorities . He selfishly wants the gambling dollars to flow to him. I don't want online poker stopped just changed to an acceptable format where Random means Random and it would also be nice if they quite trying to get rich quick on the backs of players by putting the Rake at 2% with no other deals or backroom deals or anything else. If you don't think backroom deals go on, I beg to differ , I have 60% at Titan backroom deal 57% at William hill , 70% at BetFred , 60% Paddy power , 40 % MPN sites, 36 % Revolution , 30% 888, also backroom deals at Poker Stars and Full Tilt and Party poker . All deals that others don't always have , but ya there are all honest and up and up.. That Shedon guy is for one thing HIMSELF . I am for all players to have Even playing field.. sorry about your speculation being wrong as shills usually are.
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12-29-2013 , 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by FreddieRivers
If you don't redeposit then you are likely not playing real poker.
If players aren't redepositing, they're not playing real poker and according to you, when they are redepositing, they're not playing real poker because the site rigs the RNG.

I like your style, Freddie. "Heads I win, tails you lose."

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Originally Posted by FreddieRivers
You are a child and don't understand the business world . It is only profit driven and since this business is ran by third world style , enterprises , you will redeposit or not play....
Thanks for admitting that confirmable winners are proof you're full of ****. As I said before, the only people you're convincing are the already-convinced.

Hail Freddie, King of the Losers. Literally.

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You are a fake and a redepositing fool...
ORLY? I smell a wager you won't dare touch.

I provide my screen name on which I will play poker for a year (365 days). I will begin with $100. Redepositing is not allowed. At the end of one year, I publish my hand history database containing every hand I play on this account, independently verifiable by any source you care to compare it to. This database will contain, at a minimum, 75k real-money hands.

If at the end of the 365 days I have less than the original $100 balance, you win. If you find any hand from any reputable hand history outlet which shows a hand played by me is not in the database I provide, you win.

If at the end of 365 days I have less than $100, I win. Rakeback (not to exceed 35%) counts toward my balance.

Since I'll be doing this anyway, and I have no fear of anyone having my database, name your stakes Freddie. $100 minimum. I want there to be a little pain to go with the humiliation.

HERE COMES THE EXCUSE TRAIN!! CHOOOO-CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

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12-29-2013 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by FreddieRivers
The program will never change , only the players can speak with their money . Meaning keep it in your own hands as the sites are lined up to accept it. This industry needs to be totally revamped and regulated and any one found misleading the players by dealing anything other than random prosecuted to the full extent of the law.Just to clarify the belief factor , I have gambled live poker, live horse racing , live slots and never found occasion to see or feel any rigging whatsoever . The online gambling industry is unregulated by any trustworthy source and should be closed down until such time a government agency from a normal country appoints a gaming commission watchdog to monitor these sites. I would like to start a boycott online poker in 2014 campaign and get some more government regulated poker going such as in New Jersey and Delaware , where it will be ran without reproach . Thanks and good luck to all, Lets stop the blatant rigging
I bet you that if the sites were regulated here in the US you would still be here. I voted on this poll long ago and think I picked yes. However, I realize that there is no rigging. The only thing in question is your play. There are already complaints against the NJ websites. There will never be an unrigged site according to most of you. No matter what no one can regulate it to make you win.

Just out of curiosity how does the online gambling industry rig live horse racing? Compared to betting on the same race live?

Show the data that it is rigged. If you can prove it you will get a lot of money. But I have a feeling that your data will have a selection bias. One or two hands does not prove anything. I remember when I used to play Bovada blackjack and I swore up and down it was rigged. I downloaded all the hands I played. I analyzed the data myself and everything was where it should have been. They did not have to rig it because the game is already set up in the house's favor.
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12-29-2013 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by FreddieRivers
I just see that online poker is not distributed as a random product and refuse to be duped by shady operators with off shore and protected licencers that are apart from actual Countries and laws set by our own governments..
What do you have to say about the guy that posted just a bit after you that says a site regulated by the state of NJ is rigged?

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Originally Posted by FullDeck
More rigged BS on 888 poker. Can't win nothing. A 6 loses all in to A 5. table before that I push all-in With AK 2 pair and guy calls with open ended straight draw after the turn but hits his card on the river. Big chips and eliminated on both. Straight BS on that site. **** it im really done with it.

Software is badly flawed. Freaking disgusting.
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12-30-2013 , 04:21 AM
Look how rigged this is..

How can KK lose so many times?

All up against Ax

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12-30-2013 , 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by rackitup0509
How can KK lose so many times?

All up against Ax
It has something to do with magnets.

The same thing happens live as well (or so the donks at the casino tell me).
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12-30-2013 , 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by FreddieRivers
The online gambling industry is unregulated by any trustworthy source and should be closed down until such time a government agency from a normal country appoints a gaming commission watchdog to monitor these sites.
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Originally Posted by FreddieRivers
I just want poker regulated by True North American gaming authorities .
Annnnd more of Freddie's xenophobia.
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12-30-2013 , 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Annnnd more of Freddie's xenophobia.
Well I guess he believes that the U.S. is better at regulation. But yet I see that is nowhere near to be true. I mean if the track record I have seen on other "regulated" services by my government, I maybe in trouble. Well guess we can just go in more debt. Let us add another trillion please.
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12-30-2013 , 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by rackitup0509
Look how rigged this is..

How can KK lose so many times?

All up against Ax

Against proper folds , the KKs will win their share of times. The program kicks in when a unrealistic call is made , assuming most time it is a weaker player . The program is designed to keep money in play , that's why these hands lose to rags it equalizes out when everyone folds to not show up on any stats as abnormal..Watch closely when your KKs hold up for you it will be for much less value than when the donks take a big chunk out of your stack. The good players overcome this but win much less than they would if the cards were random...
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12-30-2013 , 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by FreddieRivers
Against proper folds , the KKs will win their share of times. The program kicks in when a unrealistic call is made
If only someone, somewhere, could come up with a way to show whether this really happens.
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12-30-2013 , 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Baobhan-Sith
What a funny coincidence that you always miss my posts, FreddieRivers.
I play probably what would be rated somewhere between a Nit and Tag style with very few variations or tricks that I could apply. This style seemed to work well years ago but now I believe it is the one most exploited by the equalization programming. I imagine if people are being successful they must have found a way to either exploit the program or outplay most opponents with timely bluffs and bets..I hope that constitutes an answer to your question...
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12-30-2013 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by FreddieRivers
I play probably what would be rated somewhere between a Nit and Tag style with very few variations or tricks that I could apply. This style seemed to work well years ago but now I believe it is the one most exploited by the equalization programming. I imagine if people are being successful they must have found a way to either exploit the program or outplay most opponents with timely bluffs and bets..I hope that constitutes an answer to your question...
Why don't you quit the game? If you believe it is rigged, then why even play? Now I want to see you prove your allegations. Mainly because it would be interesting if you could indeed prove what you claim. I think what you claim about exploiting the program is a bit much. Can't you say that some people just play better than others?
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12-30-2013 , 10:00 AM
He did quit, he is a play money player. He knows he is not a good poker player.

He is not that complex, he is just a geezer who craves attention, and not much more. Telemarketers hate guys like him because they love talking for a long time but in the end do nothing but talk. He is doing the same thing here, and he is just making up stuff to keep people talking to him. He will never prove anything because that is not his agenda. He is an accidental troll, but given how many people are giving him frustrated and serious replies (which is all he wants regardless of content) then for now it is working for him.

Just ignore/dismiss him and let him talk to the clouds and fresh riggies always show up to provide better entertainment. Even the other riggies ignore him, which says something.
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12-30-2013 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
He did quit, he is a play money player. He knows he is not a good poker player.

He is not that complex, he is just a geezer who craves attention, and not much more. Telemarketers hate guys like him because they love talking for a long time but in the end do nothing but talk. He is doing the same thing here, and he is just making up stuff to keep people talking to him. He will never prove anything because that is not his agenda. He is an accidental troll, but given how many people are giving him frustrated and serious replies (which is all he wants regardless of content) then for now it is working for him.

Just ignore/dismiss him and let him talk to the clouds and fresh riggies always show up to provide better entertainment. Even the other riggies ignore him, which says something.
There really is no attention on here as we are anonymous and are using aka names.

Last edited by FreddieRivers; 12-30-2013 at 10:37 AM.
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12-30-2013 , 10:38 AM
Who you are as an actual human is completely meaningless to my point. You get a buzz when people reply to you debating/debunking your dusty theories, which is why you have pretty much given up trying to explain them any more, since you do not have to to get the attention effect you crave.

For what it is worth, I like a good, effective riggie troll when they appear in the thread because they make all the shills hyper, and when you first started with your equalwhatever bit it had some good troll value, even though that was not what you intended when you were posting at first.

You crave attention, however all your material is so stale at this point that you are becoming marginalized by other riggies (who completely ignore you and your support posts directed to them) and you are even starting to bore the current batch of shills, so you need to do the following:

- Take off a few days and let the thread recycle/forget itself.

- Create a new posting ID

- Come back with a different theory, what it is does not matter.


The shills will fall for it, they always do (until a mod points out who you are), and that way you will get some of the attention you crave. Once you are revealed have fun with that for a little while, tell shills they have been equalized, and then repeat the process.

Your real world / life clearly has little to nothing going for it, so you need to adapt to make the best of what you have in the riggie thread in between your play money grind sessions, so follow my advice and be the best riggie troll you can be.

All the best.

Last edited by Monteroy; 12-30-2013 at 10:46 AM.
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12-30-2013 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by jmurjeff
Why don't you quit the game? If you believe it is rigged, then why even play? Now I want to see you prove your allegations. Mainly because it would be interesting if you could indeed prove what you claim. I think what you claim about exploiting the program is a bit much. Can't you say that some people just play better than others?
You can just put me on ignore , as my posts are only directed at frustrated rig believers as a sort of reassurance they are not alone in finding the programming a little hard to take. If you or others are ok with the deal online , then just put FreddieRivers on ignore in the settings like Monty suggested..
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12-30-2013 , 11:45 AM
None of the "frustrated rig believers" even acknowledge you when you try talking to them with your support posts to them. You need to reinvent yourself with a new identity and theory as I suggest and they might start to listen/respond, and as a bonus you will continue to get attention from frustrated shills as you crave, and you will be happier in your role as a thread jester, amusing some of us in the process. A winning scenario for everyone.

All the best.
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12-30-2013 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
None of the "frustrated rig believers" even acknowledge you when you try talking to them with your support posts to them. You need to reinvent yourself with a new identity and theory as I suggest and they might start to listen/respond, and as a bonus you will continue to get attention from frustrated shills as you crave, and you will be happier in your role as a thread jester, amusing some of us in the process. A winning scenario for everyone.

All the best.
Never going to happen . I'am fine with posts as they are . Contrary to what you like to believe I don't care what you or anyone else thinks. My interest lies in personal entertainment and a little humour added to specific concerns with being cheated in the past. I am still using some of the pocket change I left on some sites and have won a little, so play money is on hold until the present roll is depleted . I have no doubt that won't take long though. You are however fairly accurate about most rig believers , they are for the most part to stupid to notice anything but their AA being taken down by poor play. You said you were putting me on ignore so when is that going to happen , who is the one craving attention here ? enjoy your day.........
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12-30-2013 , 12:36 PM
I like to be entertained and you were a potential source of entertainment, but just like your poker game never went anywhere, so too goes your posting effectiveness here, despite the promising fresh equalthing start you had, that you then ran into the ground through overuse.

You sound pretty tired and bitter, so you probably should leave the entire industry behind including the thread, though what you choose to do with your life is not really that significant anyway. However,if you stay I hope you will consider my advice that will rejuvenate you and bring amusement to others.

I will put this ID of yours on ignore, and I assume I had one of your past IDs (whatever it was) on ignore as well when it got boring, and hopefully your next iteration will be more entertaining and upbeat crazy instead of the depressing thing you have become this time around, as for now you just sound like a dude with a gambling addiction/problem without any of the amusing degen stories some of them tell.

All the best.
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12-30-2013 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
I like to be entertained and you were a potential source of entertainment, but just like your poker game never went anywhere, so too goes your posting effectiveness here, despite the promising fresh equalthing start you had, that you then ran into the ground through overuse.

You sound pretty tired and bitter, so you probably should leave the entire industry behind including the thread, though what you choose to do with your life is not really that significant anyway. However,if you stay I hope you will consider my advice that will rejuvenate you and bring amusement to others.

I will put this ID of yours on ignore, and I assume I had one of your past IDs (whatever it was) on ignore as well when it got boring, and hopefully your next iteration will be more entertaining and upbeat crazy instead of the depressing thing you have become this time around, as for now you just sound like a dude with a gambling addiction/problem without any of the amusing degen stories some of them tell.

All the best.
My online poker game never went anywhere . I play 20 hours average per week live poker , mostly MTTs . I am doing fine so why would I be tired and bitter . I have made two grand playing there since Oct 15th. Online poker is silly, but I still play about ten hours a week . I play totally different to exploit the rig and have proven to myself beyond any reasonable doubt there is equalization programming. If you are not seeing this during your play there can only be 3 explanations . 1. You have become conditioned to react to the program. 2. You are wiling to grind in spite of the program ( I believe some on here , so have to include this possibility ) and still maitain a modest win rate. 3. You are a paid sits shill ( less likely , but not impossible ). Or this will be your favorite , I am just being delusional ...
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12-30-2013 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by FreddieRivers
I am just being delusional ...
I prefer paranoid.
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12-30-2013 , 01:39 PM
as i get better and more confident in my game I find myself occasionally calling big raises pre with position. i often smack the flop hard and the original raiser can't release because he thinks he already put so many chips in the pot and he 'deserves' to win it.

am i basking in the warmth of the equalization program?

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12-30-2013 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by J9Suited
I prefer paranoid.
Gee Thanks .......I guess.......
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