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12-19-2013 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Cry Me A River
What do you think about the guy who was just in this thread claiming NJ sites are rigged?
I think there will be a lot more just give it time. All sites will be considered rigged when enough losers want to explain their loses.
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12-19-2013 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by FreddieRivers
( not indian reserves )

Do you know where the Isle of Man actually is? Could you find it on a map? Look it up and then let me know which tribe lives there please.


Damn it, I've done a riggie, was keeping out for a bit.
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12-19-2013 , 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by FreddieRivers
Merry Christmas to all on here and here's hoping online poker becomes regulated in real Countries by real Lawmakers.
Xenophobic much?

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Originally Posted by FreddieRivers
My wish is all sites using off shore regulators change to USA regulation ( not indian reserves )or be procecuted and closed..
Wait...so anyone not using regulators of the country of your choice shouldn't just be shunned by players, but they should be prosecuted? For what?? Is there some law we're not aware of that makes it illegal for poker sites to use non-US regulators?

Also, what about the ~50% of 2+2ers for whom the US is "off shore"? What if they're as xenophobic as you and want poker to be regulated by "real Countries by real Lawmakers"?

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Originally Posted by FreddieRivers
Very delusional..
Why? He's provided the same quality of evidence as you? Is it because he's not as clever as you? Or is it impossible for a US-regulated site to get anything wrong?

I mean, I agree with you, but I'm curious why you believe that.
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12-20-2013 , 03:49 AM
Glad teepack showed up to lay some knowledge on us.
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12-20-2013 , 05:15 AM
Bobo Fett ....

Whoa ... Whoa ... Whoa ... Whoa


Are you saying there are countries other than the United States? I mean I supposed there were a few. Isn't piracy a big issue? (I don't mean software ... I mean people steering ships straight into land and stealing everything and then somehow sailing away.)

Or I mean don't supposed drug cartels run everything?



England? France? Germany? Many others you say? Of what is this, that is not of these United States?




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In all seriousness ..... every country wanting to pass their own regulations and deal with this or in some cases micromanage it ... it only hurts. It is hard to comply with so many different regulations. And often the regulations will be contradictory. It will be impossible to comply with all at the same time. That is going to hurt the possibility of a worldwide playing pool in the future.

Last edited by Lego05; 12-20-2013 at 05:22 AM.
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12-20-2013 , 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
Bobo Fett ....

Whoa ... Whoa ... Whoa ... Whoa


Are you saying there are countries other than the United States? I mean I supposed there were a few. Isn't piracy a big issue? (I don't mean software ... I mean people steering ships straight into land and stealing everything and then somehow sailing away.)

Or I mean don't supposed drug cartels run everything?



England? France? Germany? Many others you say? Of what is this, that is not of these United States?




EDIT:

In all seriousness ..... every country wanting to pass their own regulations and deal with this or in some cases micromanage it ... it only hurts. It is hard to comply with so many different regulations. And often the regulations will be contradictory. It will be impossible to comply with all at the same time. That is going to hurt the possibility of a worldwide playing pool in the future.
Leggo been on the Mulled Wine a bit? Content is good but the flow is that of a man coming in from a night out, unlike you.

The last para is spot on though, the changes in Europe (I know it doesn't count to riggies as it's not the US of A so doesn't really exist), with segregated player pools, .fr .it domains etc. is more damaging to the liquidity of the game than a lot of the scandals (probable exceptions being FTP and UB/AP).
Unfortunately the governments of these countries are not interested in the health of the game or player security but how they can ensure they retain the money within their borders and tax accordingly.

UK remains free from this BS at present, thank God for the land of the free :-)
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12-20-2013 , 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by J9Suited
Leggo been on the Mulled Wine a bit? Content is good but the flow is that of a man coming in from a night out, unlike you.
Mulled wine tends to be made with red wine in my experience. And I tend to not like red wine so much. I actually don't like wine that much at all, but especially not red.

Perhaps guess elsewise.
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12-20-2013 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
Mulled wine tends to be made with red wine in my experience. And I tend to not like red wine so much. I actually don't like wine that much at all, but especially not red.

Perhaps guess elsewise.
This is kind of like being the
Wheelsman on said ship.. lol ..
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12-20-2013 , 10:56 AM
why don't all the riggies play 1 table and think about every hand they see on that 1 table..... and when you realize that everyone gets bad beaten and good hands do hold, tell us you were wrong.

Spoiler:

problem 1: they won't admit they're wrong
problem 2: they will still see a "rig"
problem 3: they think they play good while they aren't
problem 4: they deny acknowledged maths
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12-20-2013 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by superfire444
why don't all the riggies play 1 table and think about every hand they see on that 1 table..... and when you realize that everyone gets bad beaten and good hands do hold, tell us you were wrong.

Spoiler:

problem 1: they won't admit they're wrong
problem 2: they will still see a "rig"
problem 3: they think they play good while they aren't
problem 4: they deny acknowledged maths
Good Post with Excellent Spoiler . Well done superfire444 .. Merry Christmas..
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12-20-2013 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by FreddieRivers
Good Post with Excellent Spoiler . Well done superfire444 .. Merry Christmas..
merry christmas to you too
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12-20-2013 , 01:38 PM
It's that time again.

The Twelve Days of Riggedmas



On the first day of Christmas my riggie sent to me
A boomswitch theory for FTP

On the second day of Christmas my rigge sent to me
Two tables the same
And A boomswitch theory for FTP

On the third day of Christmas my rigge sent to me
Three times too many flush draws
Two tables the same
And A boomswitch theory for FTP

On the fourth day of Christmas my rigge sent to me
Four times aces cracked
Three times too many flush draws
Two tables the same
And A boomswitch theory for FTP

On the fifth day of Christmas my rigge sent to me
Five mindless rants
Four times aces cracked
Three times too many flush draws
Two tables the same
And A boomswitch theory for FTP


On the sixth day of Christmas my rigge sent to me
Six small stacks winning
Five mindless rants
Four times aces cracked
Three times too many flush draws
Two tables the same
And A boomswitch theory for FTP


On the seventh day of Christmas my rigge sent to me
Seven big stacks crushing
Six small stacks winning
Five mindless rants
Four times aces cracked
Three times too many flush draws
Two tables the same
And A boomswitch theory for FTP

On the eighth day of Christmas my rigge sent to me
Eight walls of text
Seven big stacks crushing
Six small stacks winning
Five mindless rants
Four times aces cracked
Three times too many flush draws
Two tables the same
And A boomswitch theory for FTP

On the ninth day of Christmas my rigge sent to me
Nine named pro's are cheating
Eight walls of text
Seven big stacks crushing
Six small stacks winning
Five mindless rants
Four times aces cracked
Three times too many flush draws
Two tables the same
And A boomswitch theory for FTP

On the tenth day of Christmas my rigge sent to me
Ten "obvious" patterns
Nine named pro's are cheating
Eight walls of text
Seven big stacks crushing
Six small stacks winning
Five mindless rants
Four times aces cracked
Three times too many flush draws
Two tables the same
And A boomswitch theory for FTP

On the eleventh day of Christmas my rigge sent to me
Eleven top pairs not holding
Ten "obvious" patterns
Nine named pro's are cheating
Eight walls of text
Seven big stacks crushing
Six small stacks winning
Five mindless rants
Four times aces cracked
Three times too many flush draws
Two tables the same
And A boomswitch theory for FTP

On the twelfth day of Christmas my rigge sent to me
Twelve withdrawal doomswitches
Eleven top pairs not holding
Ten "obvious" patterns
Nine named pro's are cheating
Eight walls of text
Seven big stacks crushing
Six small stacks winning
Five mindless rants
Four times aces cracked
Three times too many flush draws
Two tables the same
And A boomswitch theory for FTP


Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all shills and riggies

Keep up the good work guys, you never fail to make me smile and realise poker is not yet dead
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12-20-2013 , 01:56 PM
Epic
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12-20-2013 , 01:58 PM
If we let other "countries" regulate poker that is played here in the Best Place in the Universe, the terrorists win.
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12-20-2013 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by J9Suited
It's that time again.

The Twelve Days of Riggedmas



On the first day of Christmas my riggie sent to me
A boomswitch theory for FTP

On the second day of Christmas my rigge sent to me
Two tables the same
And A boomswitch theory for FTP

On the third day of Christmas my rigge sent to me
Three times too many flush draws
Two tables the same
And A boomswitch theory for FTP

On the fourth day of Christmas my rigge sent to me
Four times aces cracked
Three times too many flush draws
Two tables the same
And A boomswitch theory for FTP

On the fifth day of Christmas my rigge sent to me
Five mindless rants
Four times aces cracked
Three times too many flush draws
Two tables the same
And A boomswitch theory for FTP


On the sixth day of Christmas my rigge sent to me
Six small stacks winning
Five mindless rants
Four times aces cracked
Three times too many flush draws
Two tables the same
And A boomswitch theory for FTP


On the seventh day of Christmas my rigge sent to me
Seven big stacks crushing
Six small stacks winning
Five mindless rants
Four times aces cracked
Three times too many flush draws
Two tables the same
And A boomswitch theory for FTP

On the eighth day of Christmas my rigge sent to me
Eight walls of text
Seven big stacks crushing
Six small stacks winning
Five mindless rants
Four times aces cracked
Three times too many flush draws
Two tables the same
And A boomswitch theory for FTP

On the ninth day of Christmas my rigge sent to me
Nine named pro's are cheating
Eight walls of text
Seven big stacks crushing
Six small stacks winning
Five mindless rants
Four times aces cracked
Three times too many flush draws
Two tables the same
And A boomswitch theory for FTP

On the tenth day of Christmas my rigge sent to me
Ten "obvious" patterns
Nine named pro's are cheating
Eight walls of text
Seven big stacks crushing
Six small stacks winning
Five mindless rants
Four times aces cracked
Three times too many flush draws
Two tables the same
And A boomswitch theory for FTP

On the eleventh day of Christmas my rigge sent to me
Eleven top pairs not holding
Ten "obvious" patterns
Nine named pro's are cheating
Eight walls of text
Seven big stacks crushing
Six small stacks winning
Five mindless rants
Four times aces cracked
Three times too many flush draws
Two tables the same
And A boomswitch theory for FTP

On the twelfth day of Christmas my rigge sent to me
Twelve withdrawal doomswitches
Eleven top pairs not holding
Ten "obvious" patterns
Nine named pro's are cheating
Eight walls of text
Seven big stacks crushing
Six small stacks winning
Five mindless rants
Four times aces cracked
Three times too many flush draws
Two tables the same
And A boomswitch theory for FTP


Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all shills and riggies

Keep up the good work guys, you never fail to make me smile and realise poker is not yet dead
Loved It .
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12-21-2013 , 01:22 AM
Whats the story with almost every board having an ace? When I have KK, its a flip at best against any ace because they always get one, its just unbelievable.

The odds of an ace on the board is 22% and lower if villain has one but it always hits. How many aces in an online deck?
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12-21-2013 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
Whats the story with almost every board having an ace? When I have KK, its a flip at best against any ace because they always get one, its just unbelievable.

The odds of an ace on the board is 22% and lower if villain has one but it always hits. How many aces in an online deck?
The chance of at least one ace on a five card board is 33%. If some player holds an ace and you don't then it's 28% he gets one on the board.

But if exactly 1 player out of 9 holds an ace it's 37% he hits one on the board.

Last edited by NewOldGuy; 12-21-2013 at 01:54 AM.
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12-21-2013 , 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
Whats the story with almost every board having an ace? When I have KK, its a flip at best against any ace because they always get one, its just unbelievable.

The odds of an ace on the board is 22% and lower if villain has one but it always hits. How many aces in an online deck?
The story is fiction. KK is actually better than a flip against any hand containing an Ace, except for AA. If they always got an Ace, you would in fact be far worse than a flip. That would, if true, also be unbelievable.

As posted above, the odds are actually higher than 22%. There are four (4) Aces in an online deck.
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12-21-2013 , 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
Whats the story with almost every board having an ace? When I have KK, its a flip at best against any ace because they always get one, its just unbelievable.

The odds of an ace on the board is 22% and lower if villain has one but it always hits. How many aces in an online deck?
Shove all in with any Ace = Profit

You've solved on line poker strategy, well done
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12-21-2013 , 09:39 AM
nah whenever he has an ace someone has a better ace ldo
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12-21-2013 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
Whats the story with almost every board having an ace? When I have KK, its a flip at best against any ace because they always get one, its just unbelievable.

The odds of an ace on the board is 22% and lower if villain has one but it always hits. How many aces in an online deck?

That would be strange because KK versus an ace is non-suited around 29% against 71% and suited around 31% against 69%. The change of hitting an ace is even higher because with a pair you also have chances to hit an set.

The calculation of five cards are: 3/48= 6,25%, 3/47=6,4%, 3/46=6,52%, 3/45=6,67%, 3/44=6,81%. Total there is a 32,65% chance that in a HU showdown your opponent or you will hit an ace.
I am curious what the chance is that the opponent hits an ace and that you hit a king?
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12-21-2013 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
The chance of at least one ace on a five card board is 33%. If some player holds an ace and you don't then it's 28% he gets one on the board.

But if exactly 1 player out of 9 holds an ace it's 37% he hits one on the board.
I actually understated these doing it too hastily. Should be 34%, 29%, and 39%.

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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
The calculation of five cards are: 3/48= 6,25%, 3/47=6,4%, 3/46=6,52%, 3/45=6,67%, 3/44=6,81%. Total there is a 32,65% chance that in a HU showdown your opponent or you will hit an ace.
Your method only counted the chance of exactly 1 Ace, which isn't what you need here. For the chance at least one Ace comes on the board HU when one person holds an Ace and the other doesn't, it's:
1 - (31/34 * 30/33 * 29/32 * 28/31 * 27/30) = 34.1%

And if you want the chance an Ace comes on the board HU when neither holds an Ace, it's:
1 - (44/48 * 43/47 * 42/46 * 41/45 * 40/44) = 36.6%

That's how to do it using your method, but it's easier to do using combinations. The first one would be:
1 - C(48,5) / C(52,5)

In both methods, we're showing the chance an Ace does NOT hit, and subtracting that from 1.

Last edited by NewOldGuy; 12-21-2013 at 11:37 AM.
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12-21-2013 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
I actually understated these doing it too hastily. Should be 34%, 29%, and 39%.



Your method only counted the chance of exactly 1 Ace, which isn't what you need here. For the chance at least one Ace comes on the board HU when one person holds an Ace and the other doesn't, it's:
1 - (31/34 * 30/33 * 29/32 * 28/31 * 27/30) = 34.1%

And if you want the chance an Ace comes on the board HU when neither holds an Ace, it's:
1 - (44/48 * 43/47 * 42/46 * 41/45 * 40/44) = 36.6%

That's how to do it using your method, but it's easier to do using combinations. The first one would be:
1 - C(48,5) / C(52,5)

In both methods, we're showing the chance an Ace does NOT hit, and subtracting that from 1.
Ok, here I am lost. I do not understand why my method isn't good, when it comes down to calculating an HU showdown. The number of outs is 3 for every card. We divide this with the number of cards in the deck which gives us a correct percentage, right? We multiply all these percentages and we have an answer that must be good. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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12-21-2013 , 12:18 PM
I still pasted one of my lines in wrong, sorry, but the answers are all correct.

To your question, you neglected the instances when more than one Ace hits.
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12-21-2013 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
I still pasted one of my lines in wrong, sorry, but the answers are all correct.

To your question, you neglected the instances when more than one Ace hits.
I wanted to calculate the chance that one ace hits when one person has an ace. In my calculation I came up with 32,65% and you came up with 34%+? Also, I would like to ask, why do you use the method of chances that an ace doesn't hit. Both paths leads to the same answers, right? I must say I am really not good with formula's, I always try my own methods for calculations.
Another question, how can I calculate that an ace hits and a king hits? Because these things get really confusing if you use your own calculation.
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