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View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
Yes
3,502 34.89%
No
5,607 55.86%
Undecided
929 9.25%

11-28-2011 , 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by hellojello
HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE? lmfao. 99.9% of any casual player believes online poker is rigged. 99.9% of regulars believe it is. The fact that only 65% of the poll believe it is random in this thread with all the promoters, shills ect should tell you what the view is right there.
More riggie made up numbers with nothing to back them up. Such a shock.

I really hope hellojello is a blantantly****** account otherwise it means there are two people that have escaped from the same mental institute. I just hope they don't have the right to vote.
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11-28-2011 , 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
Whether I break even (like I do on Stars) or crush (like I do on 888) doesn't matter. Every result in my own database is well within expected variance. Indeed, with each successive hand, my results are closer and closer to the expected values. (e.g. Aces dealt 0.44% of the time, flopped sets 11.7% of the time I see a flop with a pocket pair). Every graph I've ever seen on PTR (other than those of known colluders/chip-dumpers) is well within expected averages.
You refuse to believe in variance. You refuse to accept that you're not a great player. You refuse to accept that you can be a break-even player after a period of run good. You're practically a Dunning-Kruger case study.
Incompetent people will:
1. tend to overestimate their own level of skill;
2. fail to recognize genuine skill in others;
3. fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy;
4. recognize and acknowledge their own previous lack of skill, in order to improve.

I don't claim to be a great player. I'm constantly trying to find my leaks and fix them. I have lots of room for improvement. Sometimes I have lucky days where I win despite playing badly. Other days, I lose money even when I play "perfectly". You, by contrast, think you lose because the game is rigged against you.
You.
You.
You.
The whole world is rigged against YOU.

Paranoid much?

Even arch-conspiracy theorist hellojello doesn't believe in boomswitches for new depositors. Which leaves... you.
You.
On your own.
Failing to improve your game.
Blaming everyone but yourself.

Pathetic.
Really feel like an idiot saying this, but giving you the benefit of the doubt you are not a site promoter, do one thing for me. After you have played a few more years, come back and tell everyone about your experiences. You will find out that you are completely wrong in your assessment of OLP. It is rigged as the day is long. You will feel like a complete idiot throwing the variance word around.
Wont hold my breath though, as you really cant be that ignorant by reading the depths of your posts. Plus, you use the same old idiotic lines the rest of the affiliates and site promoters use.

Last edited by blatantlyrigged; 11-28-2011 at 02:22 AM.
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11-28-2011 , 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by hellojello
Thats the online poker way. Cute Puppy. Everyone loves to be around money. Hell maybe even I would be able to turn the other cheek to swindling, corruption and fraud if I was given gifts and jewellary. Bribary, favourtism. Let me in to the online poker world. Let me in Isle of Man!
They have an IQ test at border control, no chance you get in.
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11-28-2011 , 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
The breakeven donk at 10 NL speaks. At least he does not fabricate hands like you do. Any comment on that?






I played on Party (and 3 of it's skins), ipoker, Pokerstars, the cryptologic network (several skins), Ongame, AP/UB (way back in the day), Paradise, Pacific, Aztec Poker, Gaming Club, Expext, Merge and probably many more that I have already forgotten by now.


My most recent database alone (past year) I have 1,552 AA hands just to give an idea, and that does not include when I was grinding more heavily on Stars.

I have played many times more than you. I have made more in some days and weeks than you have made in your lifetime in poker. I have played millions of hands more than you will ever likely play in your lifetime.

I have seen (and reported) collusion, soft playing, chip dumping, stalling, and angle shooting of all kinds.

What I have yet to see is any indication that any of the games I have played online have been dealt unfairly.

Feel free to try to pick on me if you like. You can even make up some more hands to prove your case.

What you can also do (which you never will) is go to any of the strategy forums and try to post any of your garbage there where genuine players who take the game seriously exist.

Don't you get it yet TPTK? You simply do not have what it takes, nor do you have anywhere near the chops to know what you are talking about, even if you were not encumbered by your conspiracy addiction.

Know your role, and of course

All the best.
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And like you said a few post back, this forum is for making up whatever lies come into someones head. This is a perfect example.
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11-28-2011 , 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
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And like you said a few post back, this forum is for making up whatever lies come into someones head. This is a perfect example.
No, it isn't.
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11-28-2011 , 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by SCS
No, it's not.
Ah, the sheep had to get his 2 cents in.
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11-28-2011 , 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Really feel like an idiot saying this, but giving you the benefit of the doubt you are not a site promoter, do one thing for me. After you have played a few more years, come back and tell everyone about your experiences. You will find out that you are completely wrong in your assessment of OLP. It is rigged as the day is long. You will feel like a complete idiot throwing the variance word around.
Wont hold my breath though, as you really cant be that ignorant by reading the depths of your posts. Plus, you use the same old idiotic lines the rest of the affiliates and site promoters use.
Obviously he has been told not to copy word for word from the manual, got reemed out and came in here firing on all emotional cylinders. So now there back to the good old make the riggies conspirators and insult the grammer. Same 6 guys rebuttling every riggy post. It's shillarious. What normal Joe does this. None I know
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11-28-2011 , 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Really feel like an idiot saying this, but giving you the benefit of the doubt you are not a site promoter, do one thing for me. After you have played a few more years, come back and tell everyone about your experiences. You will find out that you are completely wrong in your assessment of OLP. It is rigged as the day is long. You will feel like a complete idiot throwing the variance word around.
Wont hold my breath though, as you really cant be that ignorant by reading the depths of your posts. Plus, you use the same old idiotic lines the rest of the affiliates and site promoters use.
Is it because someone probably told him to stop speaking like an employee and speak like a normal Joe. To stop posting from the manual and talk like a normal person. To stop talking like a pre written scripture. LOL. Have a smoke Arty. Relax, Everythingis going to be ok. Yopur starting to sound like a member of the taliban fighting for your 45 virgins in heaven. Relax buddy.It's just a rigged RNG
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11-28-2011 , 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by hellojello
Is it because someone probably told him to stop speaking like an employee and speak like a normal Joe. To stop posting from the manual and talk like a normal person. To stop talking like a pre written scripture. LOL. Have a smoke Arty. Relax, Everythingis going to be ok. Yopur starting to sound like a member of the taliban fighting for your 45 virgins in heaven. Relax buddy.It's just a rigged RNG
am I repeating myself. I might be coming down with a case of shillitis. I am getting the c(s)hills. Shillarious
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11-28-2011 , 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by hellojello
Obviously he has been told not to copy word for word from the manual, got reemed out and came in here firing on all emotional cylinders. So now there back to the good old make the riggies conspirators and insult the grammer. Same 6 guys rebuttling every riggy post. It's shillarious. What normal Joe does this. None I know
LOL. Possible. Shillarious, like that one!
All in all, this forum is pretty pathetic. Probably confusing as hell for a newer player who doesnt realize hes discussing things with a shill/affiliate/employee/coach count of approx. 85%. Then you have the 5% you are completely blind and/or ignorant to the fact that OLP is rigged due to the laws of gambling. That leaves you with 10% that know online poker is manipulated and can have an honest discussion......but with whom????
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11-28-2011 , 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by hellojello
am I repeating myself. I might be coming down with a case of shillitis. I am getting the c(s)hills. Shillarious
LOL. Is it shilltagious? Sure hope not!
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11-28-2011 , 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by caseycjc
It's always fun to stop by from time to time and see who the latest genius is ITT.
Hmmm, like this guy?...

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Originally Posted by otatop
I imagine it has something to do with there being ~13 trillion possible deck permutations.
Oh really?

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Originally Posted by J9Suited
More riggie made up numbers with nothing to back them up. Such a shock.
Lol, everyone is capable of making up numbers (see above).

Here's one I didn't make up:

52! = 8.0658175170943878571660636856404*10^67 possible deck permutations.

@ otatop: That's a 68 digit number; feel free to use it in your next tirade against someone who is getting their facts wrong.

Stats/maths is fun.
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11-28-2011 , 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Josem
I think that away from the bravado of arguments on the internet, people are generally nicer than you'd expect.
I'll drink to that!
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11-28-2011 , 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by raymears
Hmmm, like this guy?...



Oh really?



Lol, everyone is capable of making up numbers (see above).

Here's one I didn't make up:

52! = 8.0658175170943878571660636856404*10^67 possible deck permutations.

@ otatop: That's a 68 digit number; feel free to use it in your next tirade against someone who is getting their facts wrong.

Stats/maths is fun.
I have yet to see any poker game with a 52 card board.
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11-28-2011 , 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Ah, the sheep had to get his 2 cents in.
If you are immune from having to support any of your claims, then why should I?
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11-28-2011 , 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
LOL. Is it shilltagious? Sure hope not!
Ah man that one sucked! Some of the other ones were mildly witty.

No doubt I'm gonna get labelled as a shill or promoter or w/e for this but you all keep asking for the 'real poker players' to come forward yes? Well doesn't the fact that arty plays NL2, has a comparatively small sample of hands and posts a lot in BQ suggest that he could well be a genuine poker player? And wouldn't his shill money mean he could play higher stakes?
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11-28-2011 , 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ewht91
Ah man that one sucked! Some of the other ones were mildly witty.

No doubt I'm gonna get labelled as a shill or promoter or w/e for this but you all keep asking for the 'real poker players' to come forward yes? Well doesn't the fact that arty plays NL2, has a comparatively small sample of hands and posts a lot in BQ suggest that he could well be a genuine poker player? And wouldn't his shill money mean he could play higher stakes?
Very slight chance, but possible. If you read the last few pages, I asked him to report back in a few years after hes experienced the full cycle of the scam that is OLP. 2% chance hes a newbie, I think thats being very generous.
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11-28-2011 , 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by hellojello
no but when you say online pokeris not illegal you are. Tell that to someone in America. Liar. They frauded banks? Is that a lie?
What your country(?) tried to do in what appeared to be a half-assed, sneaky, backdoor way isn't my concern. And is it actually illegal anyway?

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Originally Posted by hellojello
Thats the online poker way. Cute Puppy. Everyone loves to be around money. Hell maybe even I would be able to turn the other cheek to swindling, corruption and fraud if I was given gifts and jewellary. Bribary, favourtism. Let me in to the online poker world. Let me in Isle of Man!
Yet another rigtard reveals that he might be a scumbag given the opportunity and partly explains why he mistrusts everybody else.

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Originally Posted by hellojello
So I guess only riggies would do this to manipulate pointless numbers. No shill or site promoter would do this right? Only riggies. I had not even thought of this tactic though, looks like its been on your mind though. Of course only on your mind and not tried tested and true
You're the one who referred to them as part of your argument

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Originally Posted by TPTK27
Says the guy who breaks even at NL2

LOL

You have experience of two poker sites (with small volume I might add).

You are not qualifed to comment on whether online poker is rigged or not, did you ever play FTP or entraction or I-Poker? how many hands have you played online lifetime- if it's below 100,000 then how can anything you say on the subject be taken seriously?

It's like the new kid down the boxing gym trying to tell the trainer about how to box, play another 250,000+ on PS and 888 then come back and say you think the games are being run legit
Interesting that you would reply with a "you play lower stakes and fewer hands than I have" but don't reply to the person making the same argument to you.

Besides, if there is a new account boomswitch then surely this will show up in his sample perfectly well.
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11-28-2011 , 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by SCS
I have yet to see any poker game with a 52 card board.
I have yet to see that either.

He was quite clearly talking about deck permutations (and got it comically wrong).
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11-28-2011 , 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatBandit
Pot calling kettle black....
Yes, exactly.

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Originally Posted by hellojello
So I guess only riggies would do this to manipulate pointless numbers. No shill or site promoter would do this right?
Well, the rigtards got caught doing it. It's a fact that they did that. If you even pretended to be honest in your criticism of poll rigging, you would accept that it was wrong for the rigtards to vote multiple times in the poll, instead of making more baseless accusations against others without providing any evidence.
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Only riggies. I had not even thought of this tactic though, looks like its been on your mind though. Of course only on your mind and not tried tested and true
It's on my mind because rigtards in this very thread did it, and got caught. Your post is abysmal.

I have multiple accounts on 2p2, I've only voted once in this poll. I don't vote multiple times because it is (a) wrong and (b) a waste of time.
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11-28-2011 , 06:54 AM
Mostly (b)
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11-28-2011 , 07:18 AM
Lot of posts BR over the night, but you missed replying to mine:

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Originally Posted by Arouet
But given you've come to your conclusions by observing handhistories, how do you then conclude they are irrelevant?



But how can you be sure, if you did all of this in your head? How did you verify that you didn't miss anything? Or made a mistake?
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11-28-2011 , 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by hellojello
no but when you say online pokeris not illegal you are. Tell that to someone in America. Liar.
HAHA now you shot an own goal. Online poker indeed is officially only illegal in very few states in the US but not all, furthermore online poker was not included as being illegal in the UIGEA 2006 either ... only the money transactions are.

Stop trying to BS others when you know Jack ****!
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11-28-2011 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokes
To a paranoid person that has an over-inflated sense of their own skills, online poker is "obviously" rigged. To a rational, thinking person, that looks for leaks in their game, there's nothing obvious going on, other than the fact that the best players make the most money. If the rigging was "obvious", I think I'd notice it, seeing as I study my database more than is perhaps healthy. Hundreds of millions of online players would also spot this "obvious" rigging - it's, like, obvious! - and stop playing.

While studying my database, I'm actively looking for patterns; patterns that would show either a bizarre amount of bad beats, or leaks in my game that I could fix. Sometimes, I'd find a player that calls on the flop with no pair and gets runner-runner trips. Is he a bad player? Often, yes. The players that sucked out often had VPIPs in the 60s and 70s. Their winrates over 100 hands were ridiculously high, but 100 hands is a lolbad sample size, as you know. Was the game rigged in their favour? I doubt it. For every fish making money with a VPIP of 50%, there are 5 that are getting crushed. Just about no one with a VPIP of 50+ has made any money over a decent sample size. My conclusion: Bad players sometimes suck out in the short term, but generally lose in the long run.
You can do this with your own database of stats.
Go to the PLAYERS tab in HEM. Click the VPIP tab. Oh look, most of the players with high VPIP are losers. Shock horror! Bad players lose the most money. Look at the biggest winners by bb/100. Shock horror! The players with solid stats win the most money!
Now compare your own stats with the big winners. Find your leaks. Improve your game. If you're not winning in the long term, it's not because of rigging, it's because other players are better than you. Stop trying to blame your inadequacies on the poker site. Take some responsibility for yourself and quit with the paranoid blame game.

You might not like my use of the word "pathetic", but you're crying like a child.
"Mummy, mummy. I went and played a game with loads of other kids and I didn't win. The game is obviously rigged against ME. Waaah!!!!"
No mate, just no.

I don't cry when I lose. I learn from it. I play poker to win. End of. I use HEM to find leaks in my game, I've developed an incredbily efficient, low variance small ball strategy that works wonders in NL10 and NL20 games.

Of course bad players lose, who said they don't?

Do they lose as fast as they should, I'm not so sure, and you have no experience of variance, you've read about it, and played with your simulator, but you don't have any real experience of it until you've played a lot more hands.

I don't see myself as paranoid, I'm just open minded, the odds of some sites rigging their deal is extremely high, especially a site like FTP. Many players have commented that they couldn't beat FTP, I've asked people in this thread to post hand histories from FTP showing weak hands calling to showdown as the CC and no one can, because it never used to happen at FTP.

A seemingly standard situation of TPTK beating TPWK in a non all in showdown hand- something you will see loads in live games and against fish online, these hands are extremely rare on the 'rigged' sites.

You didn't even get back to me on that subject when I asked you to look in HEM. As far as evidence goes that FTP was rigged, that is the area that convinces me, yet no one in this thread will even look at their HEM and prove me wrong. The answer being when they do look, they realise I might well be onto something and they just chose to ignore the point.
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11-28-2011 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
I've developed an incredbily efficient, low variance small ball strategy that works wonders in NL10 and NL20 games.
LOL, good one. Except at the many sites where it doesn't work and you have to accuse the sites of rigging the games agaisnt you.

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Originally Posted by TPTK27

A seemingly standard situation of TPTK beating TPWK in a non all in showdown hand- something you will see loads in live games and against fish online, these hands are extremely rare on the 'rigged' sites.

You didn't even get back to me on that subject when I asked you to look in HEM. As far as evidence goes that FTP was rigged, that is the area that convinces me, yet no one in this thread will even look at their HEM and prove me wrong. The answer being when they do look, they realise I might well be onto something and they just chose to ignore the point.
I've never played on FTP so unfortunately I can't prove you wrong but given your history of lying I think it is fair to assume you probably are. I would also like you to post some numbers to see how bad the manipulation is but I wouldn't be able to trust those numbers, would I?
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