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12-08-2010 , 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ken******
Tanks dont foreget to include mif spelling.
Should be a comma after 'tanks'.
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12-08-2010 , 10:45 AM
This thread is now "case closed."

The American's have infiltrated and taken over the Poker Industry from the savages.

Homage to the Mayan Jaguar King
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12-08-2010 , 10:53 AM
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I give you credit for managing to post two sentances for a change.

Really!!! from a person who now starts quoting from urban dictionarys as this is a surely a sign of great intelligence.

Sad sad boy posting here is the pinacle of your shallow life.I would be very surprised if you have had female company for like 4 years that you did not have to pay for.You lack intelligence ambition do you own a property? do you have any responsibiltys? other than posting from your parents basement in this thread.

Enjoy your life and peter pan 1 day you will have to grow up
You are a choir boy to me! A choir Boy![/QUOTE].
It actually flows well, and its worth re reading, as the voice of Arnold Swartzenegger.
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12-08-2010 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Haven
NFuego20

Please stop calling ken****** a muppet. He has told me he is going to report you to an Administrator if you do it again.

Thank you.

MH
Dear Administrator,

I would like to report ken****** for being a ****** and generally unqualified to post in any thread on any topic. A large number of infraction points would be in order, as well as a mandatory forum reeducation camp. Your attention to this matter is appreciated.

Thank you.

Last edited by spadebidder; 12-08-2010 at 11:05 AM. Reason: and a muppet
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12-08-2010 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
This thread is now "case closed."

The American's have infiltrated and taken over the Poker Industry from the savages.

Homage to the Mayan Jaguar King
Wat?
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12-08-2010 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
Dear Administrator,

I would like to report ken****** for being a ****** and generally unqualified to post in any thread on any topic. A large number of infraction points would be in order, as well as a mandatory forum reeducation camp. Your attention to this matter is appreciated.

Thank you.
Give him a break, he's ******ed.

Last edited by Wiki; 12-08-2010 at 12:47 PM. Reason: and a muppet
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12-08-2010 , 02:20 PM
Check out these videos by Magic, the pokerstars suckout stepchild

http://www.youtube.com/user/magic612
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12-08-2010 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MaximumPwnership
Check out these videos by Magic, the pokerstars suckout stepchild

http://www.youtube.com/user/magic612
lol, not sure why I even clicked on this, but lol at 67 v K9 v A3 being considered an "action hand!" with three people all in pre-flop.

I only watched 3 minutes, but these are all cherrypicked hands, what are we supposed to draw from this.

And why am I even bothering to post this?

Last edited by Arouet; 12-08-2010 at 02:50 PM. Reason: :facepalm: myself
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12-08-2010 , 02:51 PM
I think it's because you have your own doubts
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12-08-2010 , 03:27 PM
I think it's because we can't turn away from the trainwreck and are fascinated by muppets. For me personally, it truly is amazing to me that there are people that stupid in this world... and so many of them.
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12-08-2010 , 03:50 PM
thinkin' may not necessarily be your forte though fuego, cuz usually you're only response is to post a picture of a muppet, which is akin to name calling, because you can't think of anything intelligent to say : P
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12-08-2010 , 03:56 PM
By the way guys, learn the definition of gimmick, you guys use it way too liberally and incorrectly most of the time. Also the wife beating analogy blows and makes no sense, and the can't prove a negative theory has holes in it. : P
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12-08-2010 , 04:05 PM
and the hole is that you guys defined rig poker as a negative, whereas scientifically it is defined as a hypothesis with no negative or positive value assigned by anyone ; P
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12-08-2010 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MaximumPwnership
Check out these videos by Magic, the pokerstars suckout stepchild

http://www.youtube.com/user/magic612

That guy grinds MTTs and 45/90 man SnGs at low levels ($1-4) and does not too bad. He has a fairly typical MTT graph of a lot of slow losing and some spikes and for sit and gos only has a solid graph. His ROI is 21% for all games (just under 3000 played) so he is hardly doomswitched.

He creates fun videos on the side for youtube which is a nice hobby. They had potential to be entertaining and funny but kind of did not get there. I doubt he took the videos he made as seriously as the riggies watching it.


How about you say what you believe this proves to you as that will be a bit more informative of the riggie thought process.


By the way, the sharkscopes for pretty much all the "psychics" in his video show that they are using their super powers to lose a lot of money long term. Next time he should cover up the user names, because as is some may confuse the psychics for donks once they see their results which ruins the rigged illusion quite a bit.


All the best.


P.S. I do agree with you that the wife beating analogy is a bad one because it does not compare in terms of severity. I personally like "prove you are not a Lizard Person overlord" when showing the fun of disproving a negative that most riggies use for logic.
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12-08-2010 , 04:13 PM
This guy has a live show on blog tv every single night where he plays in those micro MTT's. I assure you he is not kidding.
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12-08-2010 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MaximumPwnership
and the hole is that you guys defined rig poker as a negative, whereas scientifically it is defined as a hypothesis with no negative or positive value assigned by anyone ; P
One word: 'Rake'.

(Depending on what you mean by 'rig'. If you mean rigged it's unclear to what the putative value would correspond.

In general, hypothesis don't tend to have values, per se.

Last edited by Wiki; 12-08-2010 at 04:16 PM. Reason: Not sure what he means by 'rig poker'
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12-08-2010 , 04:20 PM
we don't judge whether the site stealing rake is positive or negative when approaching our hypothesis
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12-08-2010 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by MaximumPwnership
thinkin' may not necessarily be your forte though fuego, cuz usually you're only response is to post a picture of a muppet, which is akin to name calling, because you can't think of anything intelligent to say : P
Oh the irony. Again.

If you took the time to read you'll see plenty of intelligent replies. But I'm not going to continue to reformulate them every time I see the same dumb thing written over and over again. Most of the stupid theories rigtards come up with have been proven wrong over and over again, and yet they keep resurfacing. Well, sorry but unless you come up with something that hasn't been covered before, the muppet pic sums it up all too well.
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12-08-2010 , 04:39 PM
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This guy has a live show on blog tv every single night where he plays in those micro MTT's. I assure you he is not kidding.
Whether he is kidding or not is kind of secondary. He is creating a show for his audience, in this case riggies. I actually like what he is doing in concept, I wish it was more funny that's all.


Years ago an affiliate was run that totally catered to riggies and asked for help to investigate rooms by signing up and posting their results (usually bad beats). They made a killing $50 to $100 at a time (each sign up) as they nurtured their riggies to keep signing up for one room after the other. Quite the beautiful business model.


Was that riggie affiliate business serious and genuine? Maybe, though I bet they enjoyed the money they made regardless of their beliefs. This guy totally serious? Eh, probably not, but as I said it does not matter because the riggies that watch will ignore the details like I mentioned (ie: all of the psychics are deep losing players if you search them) and focus on the things they want to believe in.

Look at you as an example. I pointed out a huge logic issue (the psychics in his videos are all long time losing donks) and you completely ignored it.

That's why shows like his can work, because his audience wants to believe. Hopefully he will make it more entertaining as he continues with his productions.

All the best.


P.S. No wives were beaten in the creation of this post
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12-08-2010 , 04:43 PM
yeah, the part I don't understand is why you guys are so sure of yourselves when dealing with unregulated poker, and why you hang around this forum and insult people as well as being tired of hearing the same old arguments like you said? What gain does it give you to argue with "stupid" people as you call them? You are paid to do this by twoplus two sponsored online poker site?
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12-08-2010 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by MaximumPwnership
yeah, the part I don't understand is why you guys are so sure of yourselves when dealing with unregulated poker, and why you hang around this forum and insult people as well as being tired of hearing the same old arguments like you said? What gain does it give you to argue with "stupid" people as you call them? You are paid to do this by twoplus two sponsored online poker site?
Here we go again.... "unregulated poker". Why, because the US isn't regulating it? The country that regulated Enron so effectively? Your ignorance just comes through so often here. Look, I think US regulation long term is a good thing despite the fact that it's going to cater to special interests. But for you to spew this crap about "unregulated poker" is a complete joke.

And again, some of us just can't turn away from the trainwreck during our free time. It's often more entertaining than other options. LOL at the constant shill accusations. It would be pretty sweet to get paid to post crap on forums but the sucker would be the person paying me.
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12-08-2010 , 04:51 PM
uh huh, so who's regulating it?
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12-08-2010 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by MaximumPwnership
yeah, the part I don't understand is why you guys are so sure of yourselves when dealing with unregulated poker, and why you hang around this forum and insult people as well as being tired of hearing the same old arguments like you said? What gain does it give you to argue with "stupid" people as you call them? You are paid to do this by twoplus two sponsored online poker site?
Not sure why you do not understand it, but I will explain it to you. Some people like to argue and debate, and some have fun debating paranoid conspiracy people (9/11 threads are much more potent examples of this).

The poker is regulated and it is also analyzed so deeply by the marketplace that riggies do not have a clue as to how watched it is. If you saw some of the detailed analysis some of the players I work with do on their own databases and analyzing opponent's plays you would be totally stunned at the information.

Riggies operate in a world where action hands exist and doomswitches and boomswitches exist which are fun, but they are so simplistic that anyone who does real work on the database side of the equation (and I am not pretending to be a freak like some players I know) laugh at the riggie beliefs because it takes them about 5 seconds to disprove with their databases (not that riggies ever believe that as we saw with spade's billion hand study).


As to the gain one gets to debate stupid people? Frankly, it's fun once in a while to tweak people who cannot think logically, but I at least try to instill some of my snark with actual advice (which is generally ignored). Many shills here do low brow it a bit with the ******ation calls, but everyone has their own style. We all do it free of charge (sorry to pop that conspiracy belief). If I got paid to make fun of paranoid people I would not hide that fact, I would ask for a raise since I am pretty good at it.


Hope this helped answer some of your questions. Feel free to think logically about some of the points I made on those videos and other topics or go with the easy path and get into an "oh yeah, yeah " match with other shills on the topic of your IQ.

All the best.
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12-08-2010 , 04:56 PM
yeah, you need to watch a lot more of his videos before coming to me to explain Magic. He says that baby donks are babysitted by mama donk RNG, because they are new players that haven't been hooked into depositing yet. Initially, they have to be given the impression that they are good players. Winning players are then induced into pots with multiple scenarios and subsequently turned or rivered to lose to baby donk. He's being facetious when he says psychics, he's really inferring that the software dictates the flop based on the players hole cards. Although I have heard him mention house players before as well. Just educate yourself a little more Monteroy on these videos and i'll be happy to answer any questions.
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12-08-2010 , 05:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrptETmrYZ4

review this video: babysitted donks #1 for information
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