Some of you are incapable of showing respect. I started out calm. Then I was disrespected for my opinion. Now I just know Im debating with a bunch of chumps. Most of which don't even really play poker. You're just in here to talk crap or you're being payed by a site to troll this thread to tear people down. The way some of you act is embarassing. Overly hypocritcal and demeaning of someones opinions that you can't prove untrue yourself. If you are trying to make points they will go unoticed to most that read this thread because you present your thoughts like immature high schoolers. Almost every response to anything I said for 20 pages included an insult with the response. I cant take any of you seriously when you choose to communicate like that. You're just a bunch of kids to me.

lol at all this

Sn8kechaRmer... your definately rediculous

Haha

This is what sites do to contain the issue. Someone gets a handle on whats really going on and a bunch of people swarm into to say anything they can dicredit that person so it looks like everyone thinks hes wrong but its just a bunch of employees and people employed by 2+2 payed by the sites to discredit any arguements, Thats why you all resort to such childish antics because you have nothing for me. So this is your only way to discredit me. Hard to argue the obviousness of whats really going on here.

I dont care that I dont use proper grammar lol. I dont even try. Its funny that you think its gonna upset me when I admit to it openly. Its funny that 50% of all your responses are geared towards that and not to what Im saying lol. Its just you dodging what you dont have a response for so you mask it by going somewhere else

Can I ask your age and profession? I have read a lot of this thread and seriously do not have a clue as to your motives in it, why you take such an interest in trying to prove something you know you can't prove and your constant references to "lizard people" as if it means anything.

BTW have you even read a David Icke book? Without getting into detail I think that you are the person who needs to read what he writes. We don't all live in your fluffy little world where everything is how you have been told it is. David Icke encourages people to ask questions and do research for themselves. As far as I am aware he has never told people to take his point of view as the gospel truth.

Back to the point I was trying to make - you contribute nothing but drivel, you hang onto the coat tails of people like Josem and Spadebidder who actually take the time to research and write comprehensive and polite replies, and you constantly belittle people. For what??

You have to be one of the weirdest people on this site, and, if you are not getting a financial reward for all this effort you (and qpw) put in, you are weirder still.

David Icke, now that guy is a whackjob

qpw and I have a contest to see how many people we can get to create gimmick accounts to mock us or ask us what are motives are in this thread. I now have a 3 gimmick lead thanks to you.

By the way, this whole thread is drivel so if that is what I contribute then one can say I am actually productive. Anyway I have said why I post in this thread many times, purchase some reading comprehension in your spare time creating gimmicks.

I have nothing against David Icke, he has made a ton off of paranoid people. Bonus points for him if he actually believes the stuff he says.

All the best.

You are wrong about this being a gimmick account made because of you, don't flatter yourself. This seems to be your problem, assumptions that you believe to be true. I wasn't mocking you at all, just stating the obvious - that you and your motives are very weird. You are the person who mocks, sometimes individuals, sometimes whole swathes of people.

If this is something you get a kick out of can you see how weird it is? All these people on this site and it's only you and a handful of others that spend time in this thread for no obvious reason other than to feel superior to other people.

Is poker rigged? I don't know and I am sure that you don't know either. Let's leave it to the experts eh?

Had to share my glee with the regs here:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54.../#post16830239



Yeah that's me snakebrain.

I've dealt with you seriously and in detail, and you still just come back with insults. What conclusion should I draw from that?

Ummmmm lol. Nice job?

Thank you. Your most civil post in this thread, even if mildly sarcastic.

Well done, how much is the bounty?

I was surprised it was only $200 and not a full entry fee. I looked it up and they cap it there. That's the regular Sunday buy-in.

Umm I think you got it wrong lol. I dont hate anyone or wish anyone to fail. If you play good I hope you win. Not sarcastic. I want everyone to get what they deserve. I think you make a mistake in thinking Im the petty one that would be jealous of you doing well. And you kinda made yourself lose credit posting this. But gl in the tournament.

Snake,

Make that video. Just cover the names up if you don't want your screen name known.

I wanted to post this one last time since I seemed to not get the feedback I was hoping for from the members who firmly believe that online poker is not rigged.

I would particulary like to hear some feedback from qpw and Josem (Monteroy you already had your turn).

QUESTION (pertaining to the YouTube PokerStars videos):

If you had the same exact results as him day after day with that many river and runner runner beats in big pots for that many sessions, (looks to be about a little over 50) would you chock it up to pure variance of the game or would you think there was a slight possibility something else is effecting the outcome of the hand?

www.youtube.com/pokerman1978

Please stick to the assumption the data is from that very day's play and that it is not cherry picked and the videos are authentic.

Of course we can only assume these things for the sake of argument.

I am trying to compare how I felt after watching these videos to others who believe that poker cannot be not rigged.

Why is it that when I end up HU with the commanding chip leader (11k vs. 2.5k) that I'm not surprised when the tournament ends almost immediately when my JJ all-in preflop loses to his TT?

QPW and Josem are NOT two posters who "firmly believe that online poker cannot be rigged." In fact, I can't think of one single poster who has claimed that.

My bad, "firmly believe that online poker cannot be rigged." has been changed to "firmly believe that online poker is not rigged."

Again, without having to go through a ton of hoops about how I worded this or that to get the feedback, please just give me some feedback.

I would love to hear your thoughts on this as well Arouet.

...and you too smithcommajohn...

If you play a ton of hands every day, you're going to get sucked out on a lot. This isn't something that only happens online.

Monteroy already said that if he felt like it he could cherry pick beats from a typical session to look as bad as that YouTube account you keep shilling for.

Heres a question and I want everyone just to answer it without sidetracking. Just answer the question directly.

Lets say early on in online poker's short history the sites figured out they wouldnt be able to substain or grow a large player database due to the overwhelming advantage the better players have on weaker newer players. And the rate at which hands are dealt only intensified this advantage on the weaker poll of players. Now if they were presented with this problem that meant the difference between life and death for their business, do you think they would take measures such as tweaking the rng to close the gap between good and bad players. If the difference was 1 billion dollars in profit over the next 5 years do you think they would take measures to protect that?

Doesnt matter if you think its possible or not. You dont have to agree with any of it. In the hypothetical situation I just created, what do you think they would do?

"Monteroy already said that if he felt like it he could cherry pick beats from a typical session to look as bad as that YouTube account you keep shilling for."

Do you really believe this to be true because I sure don't.

But then again, that is why I am asking the question.

It is very hard for me to believe that you can run this bad in that many big pot scenarios day after day and just be running bad.

Leave Monteroy out of this for the time being and just go along with the assumptions and give me some feedback.