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02-12-2010 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
I like logic and math and statistics and I know a bit about business. Look again, half my posts are in totally unrelated subjects. This topic is fun sometimes.
You like that poker site pay check too lol...come on man...its obv
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02-12-2010 , 09:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/user/pokerman.../0/hXMUPjhTQSk


This is very disturbing!!! Thats th kind of thing Im talking about.....if the sites have the power to manipulate everyhand they can choose verything and yet keep it statistical right, thats impossible t detect.

I have postes 3 theoris here alredy that are impossible to detect and then the argument is secret argument: "No companie would be able to keep a secret like that for so long"


I live in Brazil and here the govnerment steal public money since year 1500 and most os this robbery was and still is not detected, why? Because everyone tha knows about it profit from it.
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02-12-2010 , 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Josem
If I owned PokerStars, I wouldn't steal millions of dollars "even if I could" because I am not a thief. The whole point of morals is that they are overriding. The fact that you do not consider morals to override other factors is proof of your own immorality.

The fact that you believe that stealing money is the natural order is a reflection of your own personal lack of integrity. The fact that you would consider having the hypothetical ability to commit a crime in itself evidence of actually a committing a crime demonstrates that you are morally bankrupt.

These rubbish thought experiments where people say "If you could steal lots of money, would you do it?" are a reflection on your own lack of integrity, not a reflection on online poker.
This is the real world, not Star Trek TNG. The argument you posed above is pretty silly. We can consider that a corporation may commit a crime without being "morally bankrupt" ourselves. Stealing money, whether by cooking the books, outright defrauding consumers, or by many other unscrupulous means, isn't as uncommon as you make it out.
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02-12-2010 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by dostofan
This is the real world, not Star Trek TNG. The argument you posed above is pretty silly. We can consider that a corporation may commit a crime without being "morally bankrupt" ourselves. Stealing money, whether by cooking the books, outright defrauding consumers, or by many other unscrupulous means, isn't as uncommon as you make it out.
It is uncommon when you throw in the other parts of the riggie theory:

a) that it is being done by multiple independent sites

b) that this massive conspiracy is somehow kept a secret

c) that this massive conspiracy is taking millions of dollars

d) this massive secret international conspiracy somehow affects the results of billions of poker hands

e) despite the scope and international nature of this massive conspiracy, no evidence exists to prove that it is even happening, let alone identify the perpetrators
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02-12-2010 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
You like that poker site pay check too lol...come on man...its obv
I'm currently playing in the "potkings bongathon" tourney that runs every Friday on FT (friends of friends). Still think I work there? And I do play some on Stars too, where employees are not allowed to play. I also helped in a small way in the 2+2 thread that resulted in taking down a small site that was cheating.

Edit - just got knocked out. I need to turn my insider's hole card viewer back on, that's one of the benefits.
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02-12-2010 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
I'm currently playing in the "potkings bongathon" tourney that runs every Friday on FT (friends of friends). Still think I work there? And I do play some on Stars too, where employees are not allowed to play. I also helped in a small way in the 2+2 thread that resulted in taking down a small site that was cheating.

Edit - just got knocked out. I need to turn my insider's hole card viewer back on, that's one of the benefits.
I think you work for the sites or a site yes. Probably Stars. You probably dont play at Stars at all and dont really play much poker in general. Probably because you have a real job working for the sites
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02-12-2010 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
I think you work for the sites or a site yes. Probably Stars. You probably dont play at Stars at all and dont really play much poker in general. Probably because you have a real job working for the sites
Lol yes and the moon landing was faked, AIDs is man made, the world is ending in 2012 and swine flu was a beta test for a more deadly virus, those at the head of the New World Order are going to release into the public sometime soon.

Seriously man get a f***** grip
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02-12-2010 , 10:14 PM
I dont like this zoo chit chack from the gommie sites...this dont help any either side of argument
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02-12-2010 , 10:15 PM
Is it really that crazy that sites would employ people to defend them on here lol? Why? Tobacco companies do it and so do many companies. They are called lobbyist? Are you going to deny the existance of that? Are you willing to say that if the sites were actually rigging the action that they wouldnt use this tactic to cover it up?

Hmmmmmmmm
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02-12-2010 , 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
Im a winning player on all sites

http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/JunnieBrown

here are all my nics only my stars name wasnt changed back to my original "rawinstincts" which is my current account.

So this isnt a losing player saying this and that. Im a winning player of 4 years saying that what is going on is rigged

And you don't think they can figure out who plays good and bad. We have programs to do that ourselves lol. You dont think a multi million if not billion dollar company has the technology to do that lol.

come on people wake up

Know what I see when I use some simple OPR filters (by year).

A microstakes guy who got lucky in 2 tournaments in 2007.

Then reality hit and he did pretty much what he should do - lose in 2008, 2009, 2010, with a relatively smallish sample size and an average buy in of around $6-8 over those years.

I mean sorry you came close to the cash in the 33 cent tournament you played last week, but were prevented because Stars doomswitched you.


You are a standard riggie donk who thinks he is good and you create vast imaginary worlds filled with evil shills to rationalize that when all you are is a marginal player at best.


You are not a winning player. You will never be a winning player. It's you, not the shills, not the sites, not the superbots, not the Lizard People (ok maybe them). You will never work on your actual game, you will never get better or understand why you cant beat $1 tournaments.

Thank goodness "winning players" like you exist.
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02-12-2010 , 10:19 PM
Some are born to sweet delight, some to endless night.
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02-12-2010 , 10:20 PM
lol..Hard to say Im not a winning player when all my accounts add up to 60k+ profit in MTT's and cash. But I mean lol. This is all so funny
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02-12-2010 , 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
You probably dont play at Stars at all and dont really play much poker in general. Probably because you have a real job working for the sites
I play recreationally and I have about 200K hands online, not counting some Party Poker back in the day. I play regularly live. I have enough experience to talk about it intelligently, and I'm a net winner counting everything. There are also a few people on this site that know my identity and know that I don't work in the poker business. I don't really care what you think and won't bother responding to you again.

Edit: From a PR standpoint, sites would be foolish to participate in ridiculous threads like this (and the rest of us feel foolish doing it sometimes too). Whether the site is honest or not, posting here is -EV in both cases.
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02-12-2010 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
I play recreationally and I have about 200K hands online, not counting some Party Poker back in the day. I play regularly live. I have enough experience to talk about it intelligently, and I'm a net winner counting everything. There are also a few people on this site that know my identity and know that I don't work in the poker business. I don't really care what you think and won't bother responding to you again.
How much do they pay youto do this?...just curious.
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02-12-2010 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
lol..Hard to say Im not a winning player when all my accounts add up to 60k+ profit in MTT's and cash. But I mean lol. This is all so funny
That solucky guy made that and more in 2 years while not even playing poker as he folded his way to rakeback and bonuses while those were possible. He at least played with a good game plan for what he was doing.

In contrast you think you are good, when you are nowhere near as good as you think. While the games are hardly impossible to beat, they have evolved and what was needed to make easy money in the past no longer generates that same return today.

Do I think you are a -80% ROI mega donk that calls 100 BB stacks with K4 suited? No. However, you are one of the many guys who is so enthralled by his on greatness that he has not seen the game pass him by and now when you suddenly cannot win it must be because of a massive shill/site conspiracy against you.

Maybe you were ok at one point in time. Hell, solucky was good in terms of making money for a while and he will openly tell you he sucks at poker even after 100,000s of hands.

You aint good no more brother.

Better luck in those buck tourneys.

All the best.
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02-12-2010 , 10:30 PM
What are your screen names lol? You got big words lol that are delivered with alot of attitude. Im willing to bet your a losing player which is ironic lol. You sound like ur mad because Im saying its rigged and Im up money on the whole deal and you are down which must mean that you must be wearing a helmet with pretty stickers tethered to a bedpost lol
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02-12-2010 , 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
question for you. Who checked over spadebidders statistics or where he got them from or watched him compute them. Whose to say hes not working for a site? I mean if you wanna get on conspiracy theories then everyone should be under the same microscope.

Whose to say half the people in here arent employees for the sites that are in charge of disputing any claims of wrong doing?

And what is misleading about this guys videos lol. I was watching them saying to myself this is exactly what Im dealing with everyday. It was like me doing the videos with a potty mouth
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02-12-2010 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
What are your screen names lol? You got big words lol that are delivered with alot of attitude. Im willing to bet your a losing player which is ironic lol. You sound like ur mad because Im saying its rigged and Im up money on the whole deal and you are down which must mean that you must be wearing a helmet with pretty stickers tethered to a bedpost lol
Gee, if only I mentioned my screen name at some point in this thread...

Gee, if only bright riggies like you would at least do the random check of for instance my posting name...


My SnG and MTT play at Stars has been pretty much for the last year. Before that mainly Crypto and ipoker and you can read about some of my stories in this thread

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...d-days-676038/


Congrats on your claimed 60k lifetime earnings. That would be just below what I made in 2006 alone. If you only counted casino bonus whoring.

Dumbass.

All the best.
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02-12-2010 , 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Gee, if only I mentioned my screen name at some point in this thread...

Gee, if only bright riggies like you would at least do the random check of for instance my posting name...


My SnG and MTT play at Stars has been pretty much for the last year. Before that mainly Crypto and ipoker and you can read about some of my stories in this thread

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...d-days-676038/


Congrats on your claimed 60k lifetime earnings. That would be just below what I made in 2006 alone. If you only counted casino bonus whoring.

Dumbass.

All the best.
screen names or it didnt happen lol

btw I suggest masturbation or maybe feelings a womans touch sometime to get rid of the attitude
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02-12-2010 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
screen names or it didnt happen lol

btw I suggest masturbation or maybe feelings a womans touch sometime to get rid of the attitude

Read that other thread, lots of fun detailed accounts of the very fun past. Screen names would not prove anything as casino play was never against other players (except some tournaments), and there is no public tracking of results for obvious reasons. Casino whoring was just a really nice math exercise until the entire country of Denmark invaded...

Lots of outdated casino bonus whoring web pages still exist that show how many were available, and most of those did not include the stickies which were something we will never see again.

Maybe you are a gimmick, maybe not - does not really matter. You are still a marginal player at best who will not win in the future. Conspiracies will not change that. Masturbation comments will not change that. Best part of it all is the one thing that can change it, namely you, will also not change it.

Enjoy your future in the online poker world that conspires against you.
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02-12-2010 , 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
What are your screen names lol? You got big words lol that are delivered with alot of attitude. Im willing to bet your a losing player which is ironic lol. You sound like ur mad because Im saying its rigged and Im up money on the whole deal and you are down which must mean that you must be wearing a helmet with pretty stickers tethered to a bedpost lol
60k in 3 or 4 years is hardly anything anyway. I think Monty maybe right... The game has passed you by and you can't accept that fact. I dunno for sure but that's what it looks and sounds like

By the way the use of lol, particuarly several times in one paragraph isn't cool

Last edited by arcticbeatle; 02-12-2010 at 11:13 PM.
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02-12-2010 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Sn8keChaRmer
What are your screen names lol? You got big words lol that are delivered with alot of attitude. Im willing to bet your a losing player which is ironic lol.
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Originally Posted by Josem
Also, fyi, your method of asking people for User IDs does nothing to prove the legitimacy of posters, since you have no way of verifying that they are the true owners of the account.

It would be more valuable if you focused on the merits of the issue, rather than the personalities involved.
qft
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02-12-2010 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by arcticbeatle
60k in 3 or 4 years is hardly anything anyway. I think Monty maybe right... The game has passed you by and you can't accept that fact. I dunno for sure but that's what it looks and sounds like

By the way the use of lol, particuarly several times min one paragraph isn't cool
Orrrrrrrr..."lol" maybe there are alot of players like me that start accounts and win because they are good players and once the rng pegs them as good players they get handicapped so they don't consistantly take money from new players and cash it out off the sites. I mean you "could" be right. And I also "could be right". Correct? Since none of us besides the employees posting here know for sure.
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02-12-2010 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by arcticbeatle
By the way the use of lol, particuarly several times in one paragraph isn't cool
Might be related to the fact that the only other thread he has posted in was one where he bragged about playing poker on acid. That's lol.

Don't feed the trolls.
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02-12-2010 , 11:21 PM
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Better luck in those buck tourneys.
Oh yea he can't be a 6 dollar grinder like you folding till you get those aces huh? Get over yourself dude.
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