Odd, semi-genuine question for you.

spadebidder did a freak study of millions of hands which show everything is as expected (statistically), and has made it very clear that all of the theories of how sites would magically rig things (all with not getting caught or anyone telling) whether silly or creative would all be very easy to detect.


On the flip side you have guys making random youtube videos and you have random guys telling you stories at tables, plus what you see and feel. This may shock you, but people lie in those videos. Here, check out this no lose craps system and see if you can find the minor flaw in this video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSF0uGZeZHM

After all, it is a youtube video so it should be taken at total face value.



Guys like you completely ignore freak detailed work like spade did, but you leap for joy when some random nobody says something or posts a video on youtube that proves nothing as he is completely selecting what data he is showing. If all I did was post my bad beats from one day it would look totally rigged as well without the context of a proper full hand history database.

Guys like you make me realize how easy people get conned. Kind of sad in a way.

All the best.

question for you. Who checked over spadebidders statistics or where he got them from or watched him compute them. Whose to say hes not working for a site? I mean if you wanna get on conspiracy theories then everyone should be under the same microscope.

Whose to say half the people in here arent employees for the sites that are in charge of disputing any claims of wrong doing?

And what is misleading about this guys videos lol. I was watching them saying to myself this is exactly what Im dealing with everyday. It was like me doing the videos with a potty mouth

Slow down buddy...

I am not trying to ignore any data. I am kinda new to the site and trying to get caught up in this debate.

So far I have just shared my perspective and I would much appreciate some useful links to data if you have them handy.

I am not convinced either way so I am not trying to sell an agenda.

If you had the same experience as that poker guy did in his videos, it would be very easy to believe his video as not mocked up or hand made or digitally tampered.

"you have guys making random youtube videos and you have random guys telling you stories at tables"

I am not listening to stories people are telling me at the tables and these videos are not just randomly made as they have the exact same sequence of events that have plagued me over and over for weeks at a time.

I started watching these videos last night without realizing exactly how many he's made. I think I've watched about 18 of the 50+. I find them entertaining on a number of levels. His chat to other players is particularly amusing.

According to OPR he is still playing on PokerStars and he is a profitable player, which seems odd in itself. He plays a lot during the videos and sometimes will "call a suckout" that doesn't occur, so he obviously isn't ALWAYS getting sucked out.

The real problem with the videos is that there is no sense of how often this is occurring. Yeah, there are a TON of suckouts, but he obviously plays a lot, so how do we know it is occurring more often than normal? There just isn't enough information to make an informed opinion.

It is not just a YouTube video, it is 53 of them, by the same player, day after day that you can look his stats up online and chat with directly.

Yes there is possibility that he just sits around making fake PokerStars videos for the past three months instead of playing poker but I find it unlikely and besides, you can look the very hands he plays up as well on PTR.

meh.. whatever floats your boat.

smithcommajohn, I pretty much agree with most of what you are saying.

He does give a vague timeframe of these events but it is hard to tell if he is going deep in a giant hand history and pulling up old beats from a huge data set.

I will see if I can get him to be clearer on what he is filming.

I think I am going to shoot him an email.

Btw, I was in tears laughing so hard at some of what he was saying when he would get angry on a few of them.

Out of arguements?

Everyone ask themselves this...

If you owned PokerStars and your bottom line was "X"millions
And then you leanred that by tinkering with the rng you could increase your player database 4x and guarnatee longivity and increasing the bottom line "X" 4x. Would you do it if you thought you could get away with it. I dont know what the original "X" would be in $'s but make your own guess. We are talking about million and millions of dollars difference

Who is going to catch them?

Fine, his work was all a sham he spent months creating. You caught onto his evil plan. Congrats.


Fine, we are all working for the sites and are part of the massive conspiracy to screw you and other riggies for McDonalds money. You caught onto our evil plans. Congrats.




Sounds like you guys have found the one true prophet that would never lead you down a misleading path. Follow him blindly, and again may I highly suggest you watch and follow this guy's no lose craps system as well. Pretty sure he has done more than one youtube video as well so no doubt he is legit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSF0uGZeZHM

There are also a ton of ways to win at stuff that people made youtube videos on as well. Watch them all, follow them all. Good luck.


Can someone dig up some of the old paranoid riggies with their mafia theories? These guys are just slow, beginner newbies clinging to reasons why they lose $5 - no real fun at all.


Dude, rob an old lady then. Odds are you will get away with it and likely will not get caught. Where is the down side?

Probably not a bad career path for you as well given how you communicate.

Sigh. You are probably a gimmick, but in any event there are 135 pages of arguments. These "ingenius" schemes which have been brought up on this page have been brought up - and discussed in detail - on almost everyone of those 135 pages.

Serious advice: start from the begining of the thread, skim over the filler, and focus on the substantive posts.

fyp

No, i just dont care.

thats what I thought

So how is it that well known winning players manage to do so on all sites? Are they all rigged exactly the same way? Or are you one of the "GOLDENACCOUNT" believers?
Sure. Now my turn for a question: How would you increase rake 4x without it being hilariously easy to detect?

It's adorable to call what you type an "argument", but just stating something doesn't really make it so. You can't just say "they could favor bad players more often to boost their rake!" because it would be easily spotted in a smallish sample of hands. It also doesn't answer how they figure out who's good and bad, or how. Do they leave new players hands alone for the first 5 or 10,000 to get a good idea of their skill level, then (b/d)oomswitch them? Do new players run hot so they're encourage to stay, then the site goes from how they played those rigged hands to determine the (b/d)oomswitch?

It's easy to just say "bad players win more" but it's a real pain in the ass to back it up. There are all kinds of sites tracking cash games and tournaments, so it's not like the sites can keep their **** hidden. If something really suspicious was going on, it would be spotted. Look at UB.

This is very easy to speculate but very difficult to actually come up with a way to do it that works without making it very easy to detect. If you work through the problem you'll find it difficult to coax out much extra rake without drastic changes to the deal.

I'll renew my challenge that has been posted in this thread a bunch of times. If you can come up with a workable scheme for increasing the rake by just 10% or more, and show real math behind it with revenue, average pots, real rake numbers, how many hands it takes, etc., and your scheme is not easily debunked by posters in this thread, I'll transfer you $500.

Notice otatop's point above, that there are many enormous hand databases being accumulated nowadays, so gross manipulation of the deal can't go unnoticed.

I want to know if spade checked in his "milion magic data anlisys that sees everything that can happen" if AQ loses in the SD more often than expected against 86o when the 86 player has a history of being a loser player and the AQ has the history to be a winner player with a decent bankroll?

Im a winning player on all sites

http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/JunnieBrown

here are all my nics only my stars name wasnt changed back to my original "rawinstincts" which is my current account.

So this isnt a losing player saying this and that. Im a winning player of 4 years saying that what is going on is rigged

And you don't think they can figure out who plays good and bad. We have programs to do that ourselves lol. You dont think a multi million if not billion dollar company has the technology to do that lol.

come on people wake up

10% is too much, 0,5% its very good.

Its easy to do that, just make the loser player win some hands before he gets busted, increase his lifetime in the room and then compensate the winner player that was sucked out in the next hands. The rake will be increased because the bad player will last longer than he should.

If I owned PokerStars, I wouldn't steal millions of dollars "even if I could" because I am not a thief. The whole point of morals is that they are overriding. The fact that you do not consider morals to override other factors is proof of your own immorality.

The fact that you believe that stealing money is the natural order is a reflection of your own personal lack of integrity. The fact that you would consider having the hypothetical ability to commit a crime in itself evidence of actually a committing a crime demonstrates that you are morally bankrupt.

These rubbish thought experiments where people say "If you could steal lots of money, would you do it?" are a reflection on your own lack of integrity, not a reflection on online poker.

Im a winning player too, not high stakes but consistently winning, and there is somthing wrong, my best guest always is that they slowdown the flow of money from bad players and first depositors to good players.

No I just live in a little place called America. And people on here cheat all the time when they use database sharing and huds. Players are cutting every corner they can these days to gain an edge.

Next....

So a billion dollar company with stockholders to answer to, will risk everything for an extra half percent in revenue? That's pretty absurd. At any rate, the claims in this thread talk about "doubling" the revenue, making many millions more, etc. Nobody is claiming a "penny from every account" type of scam like a crooked bank teller.

"Think bigger, not mamby pamby" = William Shatner

You must live in some european country right.

Tell me, if they are not wanting to cheat why most of the poker sites are running in the moon, where theres no law? Running in the old west of the world? That in itself is very suspicious, you have to give a lot of explanation for a normal thinking person to make he think that this has nothing to do with cheating.

This is exactly what happened with my two accounts on pokerstars...I was running so bad after awhile of playing on "rawinstincts". Then in the middle of this horrible run I opened a new account called s!ck_game. Look it up. I went on the new account terror that combined the new account run good with being a seasoned player and the results were destruction. Then they closed it and I went right back to not being able to win. Look it up