If it were, how would the site benefit with the rake paid up front?

Quicker tournies = more fees?? Not that I think that. Just sayin. That's a hard(er) one. But then again, on the flip side of that, wouldn't sites "kick out" players who are just getting blinded out? That would speed things up n they don't do that (from what I remember).

Turbo. Super Turbo. Very popular. The mix of games and structures offered makes it easy for the site to maximize the rate of tourney fees paid.

I think most sites offer reduced fees for the turbos, as well. I wonder how that is factored into the "rigged" theory.

True, but if a player is playing in a tourny already, that player is no longer generating revenue. The only way to generate more revenue from that player is for him/her to register for another tourny. The fast way that can happen is to bust out as many players in a tourny as fast as possible.

PokerStars already does this for the last 6 weeks of your hands.

But won't that just discourage new players frustrated at busting out early? Maybe they let bad players win more so that they last longer in the tournament, feel their getting their money's worth, and continue playing rather than quitting.

Wait... what? How do you view this information?

Have we decided yet whether it's rigged?

Wait. What? Are you implying that Stars Wars is not based on historical evidence?

Of course! Most people have decided "no", some have decided "yes", and almost none of them are ever going to change their minds.

Are you sure?

Maaaaybe.

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Not if players dont want to play turbo. This would be a way to give the sites benefit of having everyone play turbo even though they think they are playing a longer structure.

Also, rigged these tournaments might push certain personality types into tilt mode which in a lot of cases would have them rebuying more.

I just bust out with a flopped full house against Ace-high donk villain, get all-in. No ace on the board. Turn puts trips on the board. River puts quads on the board. Ace-high is now the nuts. I lose.

Rigged.

Bah, I can beat that. I call an EP raise to 4BB on the button with pocket fours. Flop comes K44, giving me quads. The PF raiser bets, I raise, he pushes, and I call (pot ~200BB). He turns over AA. Turn is an ace, river is an ace, my quads lose to runner-runner better quads. I lose despite being a 99.9% favorite.

Still not rigged.

I ventured into some more Omaha hi/lo MTTs recently, playing a 3$ or $4 freezeout one the other day. Nearly 4 hours later I reached the cash bubble. For $7.

One of you donks play Omaha hi lo for 4 hours to make $3 and then tell me they rig tournaments to run faster. Wish it was rigged against me in that way...

Seriously, all of your made up stuff are variations of superbots and Lizard People so why not go with them, they are sexier than saying they create turbos to confuse people who are in regular tournaments from knowing they are in turbos. They even make the starting stacks double (3000 instead of 1500) in a ton of those to make it even more difficult to catch. Or something.

4 hours for $3. Seriously. Think about it. I'm still in recovery from wasting one of my tables in that way.

All the best.


P.S. Those who think it is rigged to help bad players win, just search and watch this guy in action. Well, that is if action means never betting and never folding. Ever.

http://www.pokerprolabs.com/bodunk69/pokerstars.aspx

http://www.officialpokerrankings.com...7CF53.html?t=2

Sounds like my theory a few posts up is spot on: don't you feel encouraged by running deep, it makes you more likely to keep playing right? Next time you could win!

Well, if it happens a few more times in the next few weeks than you might have some proof that online poker is rigged. For now, without proof, you just got really, really, really unlucky...

I hope someone does a study on tournaments and sit n go's. If the programming is being manipulated, one of the math geniuses is going to figure it out. That is...if anyone is going to want to spend time on this. Thanks to Spade for spending his time on the cash game study.

Did you piss Josem off? I think he may have flipped the big red doomswitch on you...LOL!

My condolences on the nasty beat though...seriously. No sarcasm intended.

You could have a program that profiles players by skill level and tilt factor. You could use past depositing history and other bits of information like that to put the right squeeze on players to maximize profits out of them. So one player might run deep and win $3 and another might bust out early and go on a depositing frenzy.

When I was in sales, selling music equipment, we could predict a customers purchasing patterns and build custom approaches to getting them back in the store to buy another guitar or amp. There were some really sick people using their credit cards to a point of bankruptcy. I am not proud of that in my past and have left that field even though I was top sales guy most months.

My point is that most of the rigged theories are way too simple and would be figured out by someone with HEM or PT. If something is going on, it is going to be put together by some very smart people, probably smarter than anyone on this thread. Getting someone with that kind of talent to check all of this out for free is never going to happen and that could very well be why it hasnt been figured out.

The conclusion is it's rigged if I lose and it's not if i win.

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I would like to see government based agencies perform an analysis on the poker site's RNG and application code. Not some auditor hired by the poker site. Of course any rigging system would ensure that the overall odds come out to the expected percentages. The poker site would be stupid if their method could be detected by such a simple audit.

An independant audit of the code (not the results) by a trusted government agency is the only way to put this debate to rest.

Dude, you can't trust the government, they are behind all this!