The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition - Page 436 - Internet Poker

And add that the most frequent bad argument involves proving a negative, and argumentum ad ignorantiam. If nobody proves it isn't rigged (basically impossible to do) then it's rigged for sure. Instead of the assumption being that the deal is normal absent evidence to the contrary - which is how everything else in the entire fkng world works - online poker is special and works the other way around.

Stop circumventing the profanity filter....

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12-06-2009 , 04:27 PM

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Stop circumventing the profanity filter....

Stop being a dorkhead.

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12-06-2009 , 04:52 PM

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And add that the most frequent bad argument involves proving a negative, and argumentum ad ignorantiam. If nobody proves it isn't rigged (basically impossible to do) then it's rigged for sure. Instead of the assumption being that the deal is normal absent evidence to the contrary - which is how everything else in the entire fkng world works - online poker is special and works the other way around.

That is very logical actually. No one has ever been to the sun, therfore it does not exist. The earth is heated by global warming and the light come from the aliens that built the pyramids. Prove me wrong.

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12-06-2009 , 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by qpw

Many bad players excuse their lack of poker ability by imagining the deal is rigged.

Others try and disabuse them of that myth.

I think that just about sums up the thread.

When you have a 50% chance of getting a flush or a straight every hand it starts to make you wonder.

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12-06-2009 , 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Unistall_PS

When you have a 50% chance of getting a flush or a straight every hand it starts to make you wonder.

I know that would certainly make me wonder. Are you really getting a straight or a flush every other hand? Pretty shocking if true. Maybe you could post your handhistories so we can see for ourselves.

I look forward to receiving your data.

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12-06-2009 , 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Nutz?

what came first the chicken or the egg?

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12-06-2009 , 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by spadebidder

And add that the most frequent bad argument involves proving a negative, and argumentum ad ignorantiam. If nobody proves it isn't rigged (basically impossible to do) then it's rigged for sure. Instead of the assumption being that the deal is normal absent evidence to the contrary - which is how everything else in the entire fkng world works - online poker is special and works the other way around.

So online poker is now "faith?"

What if your state lottery drew their numbers behind closed doors, and you asked them to reveal how and when they draw their numbers and how their operations work. If they told you "No, we make so much money in losing tickets that we have no reason to rig our state lotteries...I'm offended your questioning my ethics and integrity..." would you be ok with that?

I think it'd be questionable if a lottery drew numbers in the dark, however extremely suspicious if they denied "regulation" and transpearancy.

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12-06-2009 , 05:51 PM

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What if your state lottery drew their numbers behind closed doors, and you asked them to reveal how and when they draw their numbers and how their operations work. If they told you "No, we make so much money in losing tickets that we have no reason to rig our state lotteries...I'm offended your questioning my ethics and integrity..." would you be ok with that?

I think it'd be questionable if a lottery drew numbers in the dark, however extremely suspicious if they denied "regulation" and transpearancy.

Fortunately, you have a choice with online poker to play at sites that are regulated and transparent about their methods, so this analogy doesn't apply here.

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12-06-2009 , 06:42 PM

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I live in Ohio and I could make the same analogy for Ohio Edison and my electric bill, yet somebody is monitoring them...However, the lottery shows transpearancy b/c it has nothing to hide...? Do we make them draw in front of live television b/c they're gaurentee'd to steal?

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12-06-2009 , 07:05 PM

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I live in Ohio and I could make the same analogy for Ohio Edison and my electric bill

Or you could just do what you're already doing, ignoring anything anybody says and continuing to just spout off whatever pops into your head.

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12-06-2009 , 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Josem

Fortunately, you have a choice with online poker to play at sites that are regulated and transparent about their methods, so this analogy doesn't apply here.

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tk, seriously, stop just ignoring posts that don't fit your conspiracy theories.

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12-06-2009 , 10:47 PM

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tk, seriously, stop just ignoring posts that don't fit your conspiracy theories.

Which conspiracy theory would that be?

You seemed to of confused my posts w/ others...Here you go tho:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/57...lation-649015/

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12-06-2009 , 11:41 PM

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I don't understand what you're saying here.

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12-07-2009 , 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Josem

I don't understand what you're saying here.

That's because he talks nonsense.

It just follows.

He has no sense : he talks no sense.

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12-07-2009 , 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by tk1133

what came first the chicken or the egg?

The egg, obviously.

(Clue: definite/indefinite article)

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12-07-2009 , 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Josem

I don't understand what you're saying here.

That there is a need and a demand for regulation....(I don't care if there's proof or not on "rigging") Pre-emptive measures...

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12-07-2009 , 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by qpw

The egg, obviously.

(Clue: definite/indefinite article)

Proof please...I will be waiting patiently for your evidence

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12-07-2009 , 12:01 PM

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That there is a need and a demand for regulation....(I don't care if there's proof or not on "rigging") Pre-emptive measures...

ok, fine. I agree that there is a need for regulation. Fortunately, we already have it.

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12-07-2009 , 12:56 PM

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That there is a need and a demand for regulation....(I don't care if there's proof or not on "rigging") Pre-emptive measures...

You have your tenses wrong there.

There was a need for regulation and that's what happened.

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12-07-2009 , 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tk1133

Proof please...I will be waiting patiently for your evidence

Just pop off down to anywhere chickens are hatching.

Once there pick the egg you are interested in and watch.

It will be obvious, even to a clueless moran which came first.

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12-07-2009 , 12:59 PM

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There is a need for U.S. regulation even if nothing else than for aesthetic purposes. It sucks that probably most of the U.S. population thinks online poker is illegal or untrustworthy (which, in some cases, is rightly so), and avoids it for those reasons.

There are other reasons for U.S. regulation too, but I don't think you can really debate that one.

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12-07-2009 , 01:05 PM

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There are other reasons for U.S. regulation too, but I don't think you can really debate that one.

There are a good few reasons against US regulation, too.

Enron, Worldcom and Lehman Brothers are a few that spring to mind.

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12-07-2009 , 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by qpw

Just pop off down to anywhere chickens are hatching.

Once there pick the egg you are interested in and watch.

It will be obvious, even to a clueless moran which came first.

Well, just for fun, what if there are initially no eggs present but you watch the hen for a while?

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12-07-2009 , 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DMoogle

I agree, but not because it would somehow make the games "less likely to be rigged", which tk seems to be saying. The biggest reasons would be that the casual American players (that don't understand the current laws) wouldn't fear that it is illegal (as you pointed out) so the player pool would get fishier and larger. Also, it would make it A LOT easier for American players to deposit.

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12-07-2009 , 02:00 PM

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Well, just for fun, what if there are initially no eggs present but you watch the hen for a while?

That's where the distinction between the definite and indefinite article come into play.

A hen can produce an egg.

But the egg can only produce the chicken.

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