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Originally Posted by old_moose
My question would be this, if the thread reads, "The great "Poker is rigged" debate " and 2 or 3 sites have been found to be rigged. Such as the ones you mention and of course Pitbull being number 3. Does this not answer the question. Or do we have to bring all poker sites down, before it can be said, "Yes poker is rigged."
old_moose -
I've stayed out of this thread lately because it's gotten so ridiculous that there isn't much entertainment value or any chance to reason with anyone. But I can try to clear up one issue for you.
AFAIK, no poker site has ever been shown to have a deal that was anything but random and fair, with one exception about 10 years ago that was never exploited (they had a weak RNG implementation and some scientists figured it out, and it was fixed). As far as anyone knows there was always a fair deal at Absolute Poker, Ultimate Bet, and Pitbull Poker. Not a rigged deal. What AP and UB had were cheaters, not a manipulated deal, and cheaters were strongly suspected at Pitbull also. In the AP/UB cases the cheaters were insiders, making it doubly bad. And they were caught.
There are also cheaters not associated with any poker site, playing on every single poker site out there. Sometimes they collude in rings, sometimes they play multiple accounts, there are even rumors that a few cheating programmers (not associated with a site) have occasionally even gotten some sucker to install a trojan program on his computer so that they can see his screen. The better sites have staff who are on the lookout for all these kinds of cheaters and they close down accounts every day. And incidentally, by proportion there are likely just as many cheaters in live B&M poker rooms too, perhaps more. Gambling attracts them and it's a fact of life. Good poker rooms are also vigilant and catch them.
So my advice would be to clarify your argument, whether it is about cheating, or about a rigged poker site. And if you think there are insiders cheating, then present some evidence. If you think the deal isn't honest, present some evidence besides an obvious joke post copied from a random bulletin board. Otherwise you are going to continue to get ridiculed.
Mosts of the regular posters in this thread would love to sink their teeth into some real evidence of a rigged deal and help investigate it, just because they want to keep the game honest and weed out any wrongdoing. But in all these thousands of posts, there hasn't been any yet. There has been some evidence that the deal looks fair, and many players also have their own hand records showing an honest deal, but they don't feel the need to post in rigged threads. There are many posters on 2+2 who have played hundreds of thousands of hands of poker, and quite a few in the millions. When someone plays that much poker, they have usually learned enough about the game to spot an unfair deal in their hand history statistics. But you don't see anyone showing evidence of one.
/voice of reason
Last edited by spadebidder; 10-24-2009 at 11:28 PM.