Thanks! for all the answers to my post:
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Originally Posted by Eddie Mush
I can not get access to site servers and therefore have no chance of finding any evidence of anything, which of course you very well knew when posting this immature answer.
On the other hand a pokersite can easily set up an independent control function that could visit on a random basis to see what is cooking on the server thus making it very likely a RNG is running 24/7.
They could ask 3 well respected professors in a relevant field to conduct these random visits (or whatever setup would satisfy players concerned with integrity)
All sites have chosen not to.
Do not get me wrong, today I played two hours of 5-10$ on the site that in my opinion are most likely to be the next in line after AP and UB so I still give online poker to much credit (or maybe I have to as it is my main source of income).
But after AP, UB, Dan Nedelko, who seems to be well informed, the lawsuit against FT, Russ Hamilton and the AP-cheater still playing golf instead of being behind bars revealing the shady secrets of online poker to escape lifetime, the lies about the UB scandal made by well known poker professionals, UB still not having reimbursed all players that were cheated, a few sites ignoring US law and still providing service to US customers (and on and on) it seems to be urgent for online poker to provide some hard evidence they are using a solid RNG 24/7.
Do you not agree?
And also do not miss this point from the PokerEV tread:
variance is bad if you want to prove your RNG is working but variance is unavoidable. Systematic increase in difference between expected and actual performance is a clear sign of malfunctioning though.
Maybe this from a government controlled business gives a hint:
"Also, Romano had no qualms with talking about the "secrets" of the gambling
industry even though Larry Volk the person at his company who programmed the chips to avoid giving the winning hands had been murdered: Volk was shot to death at his house in Las Vegas shortly before he was scheduled to begin giving testimony about how he programmed the chips to cheat."
If there is a bug in PokerEV I am sorry for questioning the integrity of the non-government controlled online poker industy situated in countries with limited law enforcement.......
So if government controlled gaming industy riggs to earn a few bucks extra despite the fatal consequences if caught, onlinepokersites without any control, in violation of laws and with the prospect of earning millions of dollars in extra revenue if winning players gets 50% taken off their winnings, are clean as new fallen snow?
You really think I am the one with the burden of prove?
I am sorry to say nothing any of you wrote changed my opinion though a few comments came close or at least I had to think twice about it.
The nonsense price this takes
there should be an increase in difference between expected and actual performance
I am sure you must have misunderstood the context. Think about the probability curves for Heads and Tails where you see the two curves converge the more flips you take.
What you are saying is that more hands makes more deviation possible.
What I am saying is that with an infinity number of heads and Tails they end in 50-50 so the more flips the more likely 50-50 gets and the more suspicious you should become when u see extremes. In this case not only deviation is observed but it increases making it look like it is systematic though not impossible of course.
To sum up:
Partypoker withdraw from the US because of UIGA and it has cost them a million dollar every day since. You really think Partypoker and all the other sites can not afford legal advice?
You think they would give up millions of revenue if they had any reasonable doubt?
Pokerstars and Full Tilt ignores the law because ignoring the law makes them very rich.
Pokerstars and Full Tilt could easily ask the relevant government office whether providing poker to US customers is legal or not - but either they did, and was told it is not, or they refused to ask. It makes no difference.
Personally I think they are right to serve US customers. If people wants to play online poker then that is their choice not a matter for the government as long as independent site control is enforced.
But they break the law and it is reasonable to demand more security from sites that brakes the law than from sites that don’t. I know you Stars Loving Lizards would kill for Pokerstars but it does not change the fact that they make money - a lot of it, no tons of it - by braking the law.
If I was the CEO of Pokerstars I would say “Our legal advice tells us it is legal” cause it sounds a little better that they have been mislead by lawyers making huge fees in exchange for misleading them.
I agree that if Dan Nedlenko is for real, and is still alive, it would be extremely interesting to hear more from him. So far he said:
Many of the networks out there will monitor you and your winnings, play behaviour and adapt shuffling algorithms accordingly.
Giving the 1.000.000+ hands I have played online and all the strange EV curves over the years were - in general and with tons of hands - the red line always was higher than the blue when I was winning on a site and lower when I was losing, it suddenly made sense. Hope you are for real Dan and hope you will come forward it is almost to good to be true what you are writing.
I declare I am not paid directly or indirectly or have any economic interest in any sites apart from playing on them as a regular customer.
Last edited by Eddie Mush; 10-07-2009 at 06:35 AM.