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Originally Posted by Josem
So, people who believe online poker is probably rigged: What do you want tested?
You set the bar here. The only restriction is that it needs to be do-able on the basis of hand histories (obviously)
I'd like to take you up on that. First though, a few points:
1. Thanks for your contributions to the Ultimate Bet/Absolute
Poker case.
But keep in mind, your past work on this issue, specifically, your
repackaging of others' findings into nice graphs during the final
stages of the case, should not (hopefully, does not) lend you extra
credibility on the subject of online "rigged-ness." Even more so, as,
from what I gather reading these forums, you have since moved to work for a major online-poker site.
2. As far as online-poker fairness is concerned, it appears we disagree on a
basic premise: you think the burden of proof is on the skeptic,
whereas I believe it's on the site. My reasoning for thinking the
latter is if a site is cheating me, I most probably have no serious,
adequately accessible, legal recourse. Online-poker is
quite unique in this respect.
3. The legal future of online poker is bleak. The only reason one can
still find a game online is willingness of hundreds of thousands of
players to still fire up tables on a regular basis. They do so despite perceived legal risk. This is good news for an online poker enthusiast of course. But now consider this. If the games were also perceived to be truly fair, then there would be a significantly greater influx of new players, which would further help overcome current legal stigma.
In fact, I think there is a silent majority (I'm certainly one), who could, and probably would, demand a clear-cut legalization of online poker. I don't, because in the back of my mind, I'm doubtful as to the fairness of online games.
A rigorous audit of the online deal, by an independent trustworthy reputable
institute, would go a long way to overcome this. Anyway, your offer in the above quote is certainly a baby step in the right direction.
4. I'm a little surprised that the poll on top of this massive thread is
PUBLIC (i.e. other members can see how one votes). This is unlike most other polls in these forums I believe. I'm just a little curious as to why that is?
I will post later with proposals for some experiments. It would be ideal if the database includes hole cards info in non-showdown situations, do you have such hands? Assuming not, then the database should AT LEAST be such that
a. All hands in the database come from a single site (e.g. fulltilt poker)
b. All hands in the database are all-in situations between exactly two players
c. There should be a way to verify the database consists of hands that actually took place between real players (i.e. they are not the result of a simulation, or a test-run of the site's software)