If it exists, it is a serious thread. You are the one making the decision to not allow it to be serious in your little corner of the universe. People cheat people, so it is possible, if it is possible, you should take it seriously.

Did you know there is a tiny teapot orbiting in space?

You'll also find more helpful information here to aid your quest.

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And who has access to the software to audit it? Who do we trust to audit it? And who exactly would put you in jail for adjusting your own software at your own company? There are a lot of company's here in the us that lie, cheat, and basically steal, and have been doing it for years, and still are doing it. I'm not sure about rigged or not, just questions i don't know the answer to.

yes this is right on

I have been clear from the start that in my personal experience, I am either running really bad (likely), or something is not right with the sites programming. As I am going through my stats, I am confirming this. If I continue to see the same results, I will let you guys know. At this point in time, I cant prove online poker is rigged in anyway, but I can prove that I am one unlucky slob. I am curious to see if my results continue to deviate.

My comment was simply about the logic used in your prior statement, where you implied that someone has to "prove" that something is not rigged even in the absence of evidence that it is. Likewise, you need to prove that tiny teapot isn't there. Or that you no longer beat your wife (just making a point).

Regards

LOL!
Point taken.

Although, I would rather that be a coffee pot, then I would want to believe that it is orbiting...mmm coffee....

I just joined this thread and i dont feel like reading everything that has been said but, if what i am about to say has already been said, then sorry for repeating it again.

As for my opinion on online poker being rigged, i voted yes for a couple of reasons. First, without a doubt, pitbull poker is rigged from the info gathered on this most recent thread. AP was found to be rigged also.

Who knows how many other sites are also out there with crooked employees, using super user accounts. My guess is there is a few and they just havent been caught yet.

And this is my own personal opinion and some will think i am whacko for thinking this but, i personally believe a lot of these random hand genorators are rigged. Especially on Cake poker. They say the hands and cards are random but, i personally feel they have been played with(altered) in a way to create more action. Just way to many 8-1 12-1 40-1 cards are dleivered on the rivers and they aint happenning at the odds i just stated.

Just my 2 cents worth

All the talk seems to be about RNG`s and whether they are fair or not when in fact it would appear almost every other crooked scheme and scam is perpetrated by online operators. The RNG would be the least of my worries.

Eurolinx,Strykke,Pitbull,Absolute,Ultimate bet,Pokes,PokerPoka,Battlefield,Microgaming in general............ The list could go on.

I`ll never trust online poker sites but mainly because of the people and organizations that own & run them. Hardly a week goes by without another scandal.

Internet games are good fun but thats about all imo.

Ok, its great that you're going through your stats, this is the way to start figuring out whether there is a problem. What are you finding? What kind of deviation are you seeing? How big is your sample size? If you post your findings in a serious manner I think you'll get some serious replies.

I've followed/participated in the pitbull thread as well. So far there has been very little discussion about whether pitbull is rigged: the focus is on cheating. When we talk about riggedness we're referring to the RNG, not to cheating writ large. Same goes for AP


You are not the first to make this claim. However, why not share your stats, share your analysis? Too many posters make vague accusations about "too many" this and "too few that" but precious few have offered any evidence whatsoever of it.

They don't post evidence b/c they are ridiculed and belittled by certain shills...You'd be surprised how many people read this thread everyday but don't post....

I don't think anyone who has posted evidence in a serious way has been ridiculed. The people who are ridiculed are the ones who post isolated or cherrypicked hands while ignoring vast amounts of data that don't go with their rigged theories.

This is actually pretty easily provable, unless you think every site uses the exact same rigging.

if i had a gun to my head and had to make a choice rigged or not rigged i would insta say rigged

Obv. it isn't reasonable to expect anyone to read the whole thread, but reading the last page would probably help answer some of your questions.

For me to prove my theory of 12-1 shots hitting at like 8-1 odds is a bit hard to do. Or 40-1 shots hitting at 20-1 odds. Id have to dig up 100.000,s of hands to prove this and i am not willing to do that lol

Its just my opinion and we can just leave it at that. Ive played poker for a long time and at many sites and ive never seen longshots winning as much as i do as i see on Cake poker, but, they are a bit loser there, so, maybe thats it

Not even for the greater good? To save people TONS of money from playing there?

People have already collected billions of hands to do this type of research with. So far, they've found nothing. Odd. Math isn't really an opinion based thing. I mean, if I say that in my opinion, 2+2=6, no one can argue with my opinion, but most would probably point out why I was wrong. How do you keep track of long shots winning too much?

Email support and request HHs. Until then, your notions are just that.

I was butchered and coolered so bad and so consistently at stars that I came into this thread and argued a bit about the possibility of stars somehow helping out the bad players to an extent so as to bla bla bla whatever....

it was fun to debate some of the guys in here. But it got old. I mean the question of riggedness is not, as of now, answerable. Some people will swear it's fair, some will swear it's rigged and some people like me will try to maintain a healthy skepticism.

but damn if I don't feel a new conspiracy tingling my brain. I am starting to think that there actually are shills for the sites ITT. I mean they guys are like pit bulls. They seem to never get tired of shooting down (in their own minds quite often but sometimes legitimately) the same arguments again and again and over and over again. They are really like soldiers. I have never heard of people working tirelessly for no compensation. Maybe they are not paid specifically to come into this forum and battle the "rigtards" but maybe work for the sites and hate the idea that the company they own stock in would be questioned?

Seriously what is it with these guys? Do they enjoy sparring with those they see an inferior debaters? What is the motivation I gots to know how you never get sick of this thread and the same arguments over and over again.

Not a new conspiracy theory. Because the arguments are almost never new, so it's easy to just repeat what their flaws are. Almost every forum on the internet has moderators, and most of them are unpaid. 2+2 has dozens of them. Every time this has been brought up against a specific person, they've denied any contact or involvement with the site. But of course they can't be trusted. The main thing, for me anyway, is that if statements are just left by themselves, that gives them credibility in some people's views.

I agree with your "lol" at the end.

so how many rigtards would be screaming rigged if this happened to them on stars...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WHUcmPtw2A

I think it would go something like this:

Rigtard: "Obv stars gave us both huge hands. And then the action flop leaving us both with a boat is proof that they rig it to increase the rake"

Me: Yeah, action flops in tournaments to increase the rake.......lololol

Rigtard: "Well, they also deal action flops to bust players faster, so they will play more tournaments"

Me: Yeah, because players can only play one tournament at a time......

Rigtard: "Oh, you're just a shill for Stars, trying to sweep how rigged your RNG is under the carpet so people won't find out about it and keep on playing there, even though it's so obvious how rigged it is."

Me: Actually, I don't even play on stars.

NFuego20:

If I was in the old's man position in that hand on stars I would give myself about a 50% chance of dodging a river 6. I have been conditioned to the point that I would be worried, not fist pumping. True story. I've lost my last 2 AA and last 3 KK on FT aipf hu. Do I compain about FT? No. I take my variance like a man. But when it comes to stars, you are just asking me to suspend my reason completely to believe that I could randomly be coolered and beat that way.