The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition
08-05-2009
, 11:10 AM
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The US government are going to enforce illegal activities? 
You mean they are going to make it mandatory to break the law?
Good grief!
Except that that is complete and utter bull****.
The US government have an issue with banks dealing with gambling outfits not the gambling outfits themselves.
BTW, you should get together with tk1133. He seems to be reading from exactly the same hymn sheet as you.
You mean they are going to make it mandatory to break the law?
Good grief!
Except that that is complete and utter bull****.
The US government have an issue with banks dealing with gambling outfits not the gambling outfits themselves.
BTW, you should get together with tk1133. He seems to be reading from exactly the same hymn sheet as you.
It's not a hymn dude...It's real fact. If you'd take the time to research the Poker Bills, you would see that one of the major points in the legislation is people using AI(Bots) and illegal software that gives them an edge. If you watch the interview on PPA.org w/ Howard Lederer, the people that want onilne poker banned biggest arguement is fraud and being cheated. They said numerous times, "How do we know we're playing against another actual human player." H.L's Reply..."It's all about trust...." Look it up and watch it....Trust?! How about we get some regulation then it's about LAW.
Sounds like Bernie Madoff..."Trust me!"
08-05-2009
, 11:18 AM
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I believe it is you who is in need of help.
ya think?
it's unfortunate you weren't clever enough to realize that comment wasn't directed at you. and it's also unfortunate that you have only read the latest responses to the same dumb theories presented without evidence. I tried many, many times to reason with the Rigtard Army (ask my buddy tk), but insane people can't be reasoned with. So yeah, it's just cruel sport picking on y'all. I admit it. But tell ya what, when one of your brethren brings a constructive piece of evidence that doesn't rely on gimmick accounts voting in a Rigtard-Created poll, selective memory, racist conspiracy theories or patterns which no one else can verify I'll be a little more hospitable.
Why don't you look into it quietly, and when you have made a determination report back?
btw, people who have high I.Q.'s are smart enough not to brag about them to strangers on message boards.
you should consider checking things out before getting involved, dontchya think?
Sites do have a way to make tournaments end faster through programming. However, they're nice enough to label them "Turbo." But just to be safe, you should avoid them all. That way you won't have any reason to bother us any more.
epic brags:
beggars/choosers, etc.
why do you care what people do with their money?
oh, you don't want Good Americans giving money the the Bad Israelis you allege own Stars, huh?
Is English your primary language?
no you haven't. sounds good though.
This cheating you seem so intimately familiar with is not the topic being discussed here.
wait, I'll have to beat the US Government who will be "enforcing... illegal activities and more" soon too?
Does that mean they'll be making collusion, action flops and (illegal) rake mandatory? What else do they have up their sleeves?
And while your bold text does stand out, it really only helps people find the dumbest posts faster. But thanks for playing along!
ya think?
it's unfortunate you weren't clever enough to realize that comment wasn't directed at you. and it's also unfortunate that you have only read the latest responses to the same dumb theories presented without evidence. I tried many, many times to reason with the Rigtard Army (ask my buddy tk), but insane people can't be reasoned with. So yeah, it's just cruel sport picking on y'all. I admit it. But tell ya what, when one of your brethren brings a constructive piece of evidence that doesn't rely on gimmick accounts voting in a Rigtard-Created poll, selective memory, racist conspiracy theories or patterns which no one else can verify I'll be a little more hospitable.
Why don't you look into it quietly, and when you have made a determination report back?
btw, people who have high I.Q.'s are smart enough not to brag about them to strangers on message boards.
you should consider checking things out before getting involved, dontchya think?
Sites do have a way to make tournaments end faster through programming. However, they're nice enough to label them "Turbo." But just to be safe, you should avoid them all. That way you won't have any reason to bother us any more.
epic brags:
- has a friend
- has a girlfriend
- has a job
- unsolicited brags about them.
beggars/choosers, etc.
why do you care what people do with their money?
oh, you don't want Good Americans giving money the the Bad Israelis you allege own Stars, huh?
Is English your primary language?
no you haven't. sounds good though.
This cheating you seem so intimately familiar with is not the topic being discussed here.
wait, I'll have to beat the US Government who will be "enforcing... illegal activities and more" soon too?
Does that mean they'll be making collusion, action flops and (illegal) rake mandatory? What else do they have up their sleeves?
And while your bold text does stand out, it really only helps people find the dumbest posts faster. But thanks for playing along!
Whats the matter, you dont have a girlfriend? Almost anyone should be able to get one or at least a cat...
08-05-2009
, 11:27 AM
My, I do seem to be a busy person.
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They target that banks b/c they think if they "decapitate" online poker(Financial Institutes) then everybody would stop playing.
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They can't violate our constitutional rights as Americans and deprive us of our freedom...
Well, they certainly seem to be doing a pretty top hole job at the moment.
08-05-2009
, 11:35 AM
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Shilling and botting, now?
My, I do seem to be a busy person.
Actually, despite you rather fanciful conspiracy theory the only reason for their action was concern that online gaming was an absurdly easy way to go about money laundering.
ROFLMAO.
Well, they certainly seem to be doing a pretty top hole job at the moment.
My, I do seem to be a busy person.
Actually, despite you rather fanciful conspiracy theory the only reason for their action was concern that online gaming was an absurdly easy way to go about money laundering.
ROFLMAO.
Well, they certainly seem to be doing a pretty top hole job at the moment.
08-05-2009
, 11:37 AM
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They would lose the ability to conduct business in any sense of the word, and the industry would collapse pretty much over night, and they would give up their long term healthy profit stream for what would be a ton of legal battles over the money they stole.
Not really sure what else you want to hear, if you think that the entire industry can and will do this then do not put any money on any of the sites, as there is no easy way to answer extreme paranoid "what ifs"
What if all the banks in the world decided to stop allowing withdraws for their customers. What if money was no longer accepted as a form of currency by anyone? I don't know - maybe become an end of world guy with 2 years of stored food underground somewhere to feel better.
The doom and gloom stuff you suggest can and does happen, but generally to the smaller, fringe rooms that never had a business plan that worked. Those rooms either vanish or get bought by the bigger rooms (both have happened in recent years) and the industry matures and becomes more efficient.
Not really much else to say. If you truly are that paranoid of the entire industry's collapse then stay away. Nothing anyone will say will cure you of your paranoia, and fortunately nobody is forcing you to put money in the sites. So don't. Problem soved.
All the best.
Not really sure what else you want to hear, if you think that the entire industry can and will do this then do not put any money on any of the sites, as there is no easy way to answer extreme paranoid "what ifs"
What if all the banks in the world decided to stop allowing withdraws for their customers. What if money was no longer accepted as a form of currency by anyone? I don't know - maybe become an end of world guy with 2 years of stored food underground somewhere to feel better.
The doom and gloom stuff you suggest can and does happen, but generally to the smaller, fringe rooms that never had a business plan that worked. Those rooms either vanish or get bought by the bigger rooms (both have happened in recent years) and the industry matures and becomes more efficient.
Not really much else to say. If you truly are that paranoid of the entire industry's collapse then stay away. Nothing anyone will say will cure you of your paranoia, and fortunately nobody is forcing you to put money in the sites. So don't. Problem soved.
All the best.
Speaking of Bernie...He was in the wrong business then...
08-05-2009
, 11:41 AM
tk, when you put one of these: '?' little squiggly things at the end of a sentence it means it's a question.
However, the sentence must have the grammatical form of a question as well.
Yours doesn't which makes what you have written effectively meaningless.
Then again, that's a good description for most of your output so no change there.
Do even you know what all this drivel is supposed to mean? 
However, the sentence must have the grammatical form of a question as well.
Yours doesn't which makes what you have written effectively meaningless.
Then again, that's a good description for most of your output so no change there.
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To curb money laudering and off shore gambling. It's not just the FEDs and Secret Service that want online poker banned, its the predatory gambling assoc. all sorts of those garbage advocates that make wacko cases to their senators and congressmen and it becomes the "theme" for their fight to ban online poker...
08-05-2009
, 12:02 PM
Capitalism and free markets are not for everyone. If you are truly convinced that they are all an evil plot/scheme to defraud the entire population then remove yourself from the grid so to speak. Other paranoid personalities have done just that already.
Good luck with that.
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It is hard to tell what peoples motives are in some of these threads. I am just doing some research on the subject of "Rigged Sites" because I feel like I may have been cheated. I didnt realize that I was going to be running into pokersite shills and others who dont have better things to do with their time than try to make sport of those who dont understand or have as much experience on the subject. I dont mind some of these people getting sarcastic though, some of it is pretty funny. I enjoy a good laugh. If I get nothing else out of it than that, I at least still got some laughs out of this.
Why did "they" specifically cheat you? What made you a target? Note, I am not saying this makes you paranoid (ok, clearly it does, but ignore that for now), but knowing why you are the specific target of a grand scheme will help you define the research you need to conduct.
All the best.
08-05-2009
, 12:05 PM
08-05-2009
, 12:31 PM
Good luck with your research. The best approach will be if you can first answer these questions.
Why did "they" specifically cheat you? What made you a target? Note, I am not saying this makes you paranoid (ok, clearly it does, but ignore that for now), but knowing why you are the specific target of a grand scheme will help you define the research you need to conduct.
All the best.[/QUOTE]
That does make sense. I dont think that I am specifically being targetted, but I do suspect that if there is something going on, it is to maximize profits.
What I have gathered so far here and 2+2 is that I need to do the following:
- Collect a very significant amount of hand histories on my play.
- Research the information for patterns that look outside of the statistical norm to me at my current level of understanding.
- Share the results here with the community to see if what I am seeing and thinking makes sense to people with more understanding and experience on this subject
- Take the necessary steps to bring myself to a conclusion based on the outcome
This is my "Action Plan"
This looks like quite a project, I hope that I have enough time and patience to get through it...LOL!
Thanks for posting.
Joe
Why did "they" specifically cheat you? What made you a target? Note, I am not saying this makes you paranoid (ok, clearly it does, but ignore that for now), but knowing why you are the specific target of a grand scheme will help you define the research you need to conduct.
All the best.[/QUOTE]
That does make sense. I dont think that I am specifically being targetted, but I do suspect that if there is something going on, it is to maximize profits.
What I have gathered so far here and 2+2 is that I need to do the following:
- Collect a very significant amount of hand histories on my play.
- Research the information for patterns that look outside of the statistical norm to me at my current level of understanding.
- Share the results here with the community to see if what I am seeing and thinking makes sense to people with more understanding and experience on this subject
- Take the necessary steps to bring myself to a conclusion based on the outcome
This is my "Action Plan"
This looks like quite a project, I hope that I have enough time and patience to get through it...LOL!
Thanks for posting.
Joe
08-05-2009
, 12:57 PM
