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Originally Posted by Pyromantha
Again your post does not address what the other person wrote. Are you being deliberately dense or something?
Markus wrote that *YOU* do not get to audit their operation, not that the operation is not audited by *SOMEONE*
I mean really, talk about pot/kettle/black. Here's the edited version of my quote he responds to:
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Originally Posted by Markusgc
I'm sorry, are you under the impression that YOU get to inspect every corner of their operation? Like they're gonna just let ya dig around their proprietary software because you're not completely convinced they're running an honest game ... but that's never gonna happen, at Stars
of course he left out this part...
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Originally Posted by Markusgc
but that's never gonna happen, at Stars or even your local grocery store.
making a point which Pyro expands upon further with his bank/toilet paper/tour of the safe analogy.
but after twisting my words, he gives this alarmist reply...
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Originally Posted by PokErasmus
Well that is shame and indicates a completely unregulated, misleading and dishonest operation.
misleading and dishonest operation? how about propaganda? (but he has no agenda to push, right....) I also contend that the blatant exaggeration ("completely unregulated" ?!?!? please...) is no better than complete fiction.
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Originally Posted by PokErasmus
As you probably know in other segments of our economy regulation is not unknown concept, in fact it is the main criteria of operation and the burden of proof indeed on the operators and not on consumers. For example, in order to fully comply with standards (it called PCI DSS) payment card processor entities must dig around their proprietary software, just like brick and mortar casinos must inspect every corner of their operation in order to prove that they are in full compliance with regulations. Usually this exercise is manifested in system audit and there are audit reports available.
There is regulation, links to the checks and balances in place by the Isle of Man have been shared several times, as well as decent explanations of what they check for. But there is no reason for every bit of information discovered by their audits (or whatever you want to call it - inspection, examination, etc.) to be made public. You can't even find the references on PokerStars' site - what makes you think you'd be able to learn more from an unedited and thorough report? They meet the requirements to be permitted to run their business with the blessing of the Isle of Man Gambling Supervision Commission.
If that's not satisfactory to you, FIND A SITE WHICH IS SANCTIONED BY A BODY YOU
ARE HAPPY WITH. IF THERE ISN'T ONE....
DON'T PLAY ONLINE POKER. It's that simple. There's no part of the Magna Carta, U.S. Constitution or the U.N. Charter which guarantees the sovereign right to all citizens of the Planet Earth to play poker at a site which is certified to
your standards. Most people are happy with the job being done. If you're not, express your displeasure by not spending your money there.
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Why exactly PS is unable to provide full system audit reports since started its operation and hiding behind the tiny Isle of Man gaming authority by creating marketing clouds about Cigital RNG audit which cover only a tiny segment of their operation? If you know let us now.
This is more pure ******ation. They are able to but it wouldn't make them more reliable if a report of minute technical details were made available for your reading pleasure. You can barely read this thread, are you seriously trying to say that you'd be able to find holes in their operation if you had such information in your hand?
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It is hilarious and quite bizarre that you think PokerStars should not dig around their proprietary software as such digging is too much hassle ... the whole purpose of the Isle of Man regulation which PS proudly refers is to dig around their proprietary software in order to ensure system integrity.
no, the whole purpose is they dig around so you don't have to.
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I am glad it has been established finally in this thread, that PS is not digging around and full system audit is unknown concept at the multi billion dollar gambling enterprise.
damn, are you now saying that the Isle of Man isn't doing these audits at all? Just because you, some random Rigtard, don't get to look at the notes they took it means it didn't happen? You're worse than most in this regard, most Rigtards say things like "I have a feeling." You come to insane conclusions or just make stuff up and present it as fact. This is a prime example of this habit of yours.
So, we get it - you want more regulation. Apparently enough people are happy with the level they are currently regulated to keep playing there. You can say a prayer for all the suckers who keep doing so, but in the end, a few (and yeah, it really is only a handful of Hardcore Rigtards, and several are just new accounts by old, banned fanatics) paranoid losers aren't going to change a large, successful company with tens (hundreds?) of thousands of satisfied customers OR an entire industry's policies with your hunches and patterns and "something just doesn't feel right."
If there was a problem, it would've been found by players by now. But in the case that one was (which I agree
could happen) then the players/customers might demand stricter control. However, the only ones screaming for it now are those who have delusion assessments of their skills and unreasonable expectations of success with their limited tools.
This site (2+2) is full of poker pros making a living at these allegedly crooked sites and they discuss ways to improve their play by taking personal responsibility and working hard to get the desired results with NO MENTION OF HOW THEY'RE MANIPULATING THE SOFTWARE OR GETTING ANY OTHER PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT is testament to the fact that skill is the determining factor of success. 2+2 isn't full of shills who make thousands of strategy posts a week just to give the impression winners are continually increasing their proficiency while truly reaping the benefits of "Goldern (sic) Accounts." They're real people getting better so they can make more money.
And ya know what? The poker sites don't care who wins the money - as long as they're getting their cut.
So, if you have something besides conjecture, half-truths and falsehoods to present in order to inspire the masses to rise up and demand closer examination of online poker, now would be a good time to share it. If you don't, then you are just a guy on the corner with a sandwich board and a bullhorn shouting nonsense. And it's kinda sad you don't know that. Kinda really sad.