this is an utter fabrication.
All come with concerns, few come with data to give them any weight.

Feel free to share some when you have it.

Mutter, mutter abuse of moderator privileges mutter, mutter.

It's called 'proportionate response'.

I understand someone who might be indifferent and might claim I don't know if it's rigged or not. I don' t really understand the posters here who vehemently deny that it's not rigged. I mean you're trusting a site that's from a different country that you don't really know exactly how they operate and conduct business. I don't understand what your goal is defending them to a T. It's almost like your sole purpose is to be here arguing.

It just really bothers me. I mean I've played tons of real poker along with friends who have played online. They all agree that's it completely different whether it's rigged or not. No matter the limit or the players. Something is different. No matter if it's conscious or subconscious something is different. Something is stale when you play. It always seems like something fishy is going on. No pun intended. You people don't sense this? Do you play live poker?

I presume you actually mean: "posters here who vehemently deny that it is rigged"?

If so, could ypu please post a link to a single message where someone has vehemently denied that online poker is rigged?

Those of us arguring agaist rigtards universally take the stance that online poker very probably isn't rigged.

We take that stance for the simple reason that there is no evidence that it is.

Very good points.

+1

There simply isn't a reasonable explanation as to why the small group of poster's continue to defend Online poker so vigourously and for so long.

Excellent post!

Taking it easy today, supperbowl?

Just making a few 'me too' posts and letting others do all the work?

Have you finally embarrassed yourself spouting nonsense and decided to take a break to give your self respect a chance to recover?

Mind how you go.

So these same 2-3 guys go to all the hundreds of rooms and do the voodoo that they do? That is your theory? At each of these individual sites not a single internal person knows about this?

That seems.... interesting.

Since you have a lot of time on your hand by not emailing the sites your questions, why don't you break down the industry for us so no one makes any more faulty assumptions.

There are hundreds of rooms. How many are rigged with your magic software. How many are not. How many at each specific room would know about it in some way.

Yeah, this is where we get to actual proof type stuff so I imagine your interest in breaking this down will diminish greatly.



I see. What about all of those who think Party is rigged, Cake is rigged, ipoker rooms are rigged, ongame rooms are rigged, everest is rigged, Microgaming rooms are rigged etc.

Are you saying all of them are actually wrong and only Stars and Tilt are rigged? A lot of riggedologists will be disappointed!

Kind of feels like you have a weird specific agenda now Then again maybe only Stars and Tilt can hire the black ops, ninja team of experts you say exist to make it all happen.


You might be surprised. Once in a while a paranoid riggedologist will explain their ways at a table after they win a way too small pot based on their hand and opponents hands. They will explain that they know the site will screw them so they will not bet until the river when they know they have won for sure. They think it cost them nothing because they still won the hand. It cost them tons and it is one of the main reasons they are generally losing players - they make a lot of blatant mistakes.

Same methodology as people who say aliens live among us are not real until proof is shown. It does not mean that aliens cannot exist, just that proof is needed for a claim like that to be believed.

The alien among us nuts ask the exact same question you just did when mocked as well. 9/11 people are even cuter.

It's just standard paranoid conspiracy stuff, nothing more. Some innately believe in them, most do not. Those that do not either ignore the paranoid people, some ask for proof and the cycle begins (as we see here over and over ).

Yes, the games are harder. Many use software to identify opponents in ways that few can do live. Many multi table and get a ton more hands in an hour then live players get in a week.

It's a tougher game. If you are used to live which tends to be much looser then it probably takes a lot of adjustment. Multi tabling online players do not need to play hands out of boredom because they get 1 every 3 minutes.

This is not that hard a concept, buit many do not get it. One guy in this thread thought it was fishy that he would lose more when he moved up in limits. Gee...



Has nothing to do with the sites for me, it is just an amusing debate that lets me see more into the paranoid mind at times. I play online poker so it is a better area to do this then any of the other similar conspiracy areas like 9/11, aliens, whatever that are not of much interest to me personally.

You still post here on a poker message board a lot even though you quit poker a while ago when you realized you could not hack it at the game. Explain that

Maybe I should create another gimmick account and post a totally wild story to get you to say "Excellent post!" to me again like you did a couple months ago. That was kind of fun as well.

All the best.

How is this a fabrication? The 'site defenders' seem to made up of a small group that are making hundreds of posts. Aside from them this thread seems mostly to be made up of people indeed concerned about site integrity making a few posts here and there, with varying degrees of.. clarity.

Posters with over 100 posts: 14
Posters with over 250 posts: 6
Maximum number of posts: 627

Total posts in thread: 6100+

I would be honored to be a working part of your new paranoid construct, as it would be fun to see the paranoid conspiracy formation process from the very beginning.

9/11 has truthers so you should come up with a catchy name as well. "Site defenders" is a bit long and clunky and shills is whiny and overused. You don't want to use "defenders" since that implies "defends the truth"

Hmm, how about "proponents." Same thing but sounds more sinister.

Hope that helps some!

Oh, to hell with it!

Why not just stick with 'Agents of the Lizard People'?

At least it has the dual benefits of honesty and accuracy.

two reasons...

1) like most rigtard figures, this was made up out of thin air.

2) if by some chance there are 200 different screen names who have expressed concern about the integrity of online poker ITT, it's easy to show that they are not 200 different people. Think of them as "Rigtard Bots," if you will.

but hey, if you or your boy want to go through the "Who Posted" list and show me that the patterns which my brain has perceived are not, in fact, correct I will apologize and even change my undertitle to something appropriately humble for a week.

see how providing data to back up claims makes things better?

Monteroy, your posts are rather ironic as you seem to be under the paranoid impression that anybody that does not blindly trust foreign unregulated sites must surely be a tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist.

ITT: Internet poker's very own Clayton Bigsby.

You clearly have no idea as to the meaning of 'paranoid'.

We'll just add that to the list of other things about which you appear to be completely clueless.


Have a nice day.

My boy? Don't get paranoid here. I don't know or care who made the original post. I just found your comment unusual and unsupported by the numbers in the thread. Again, also supported by a healthy dose of irony as you suggest others provide data to back up their arguments while you do nothing of the like - and I actually did provide a brief overview of the figures which show about 4,000 posts made by lots of posters with very few posts, and the 'site defender' group seems to be made up of a small number of posters with a huge number of average posts per user.

Your xenophobia notwithstanding, I am a believer of marketplaces regulating themselves when mature, especially in an area where all of the data (hand histories) is available for study.

Customers keep the sites in check. Competitors do. The sites have to provide a product customers are comfortable with to survive (which again is why many sites have folded recently).

I do not blindly assume that foreign entities are criminals like a bad James Bond movie, and frankly whether the sites are licensed by the US or a high school chess team in outer Mongolia is not really significant for my beliefs as to how the marketplace manages itself. Call me a sucker for pure capitalism.

If you want paranoia, you need to look at those who create theories out of thin air. You know, like you are starting right now with your "proponents" theory.

Good luck with that by the way

Will you please stop using the word 'paranoid' until you have learned what it means?

Although it's amusing for those of us who do know what it means and use it int its correct sense to see a rigtard losing even more credibility by aping our usage but getting the meaning wrong it does seem charitable to point out to you that you are making an even bigger idiot iof yourself than usual.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/paranoia

2. baseless or excessive suspicion of the motives of others.

I am not fully trusting of foreign unregulated sites. Greed is a very powerful driving force.

Monteroy, yourself and the handful of others seem to be excessively suspicious of anybody who does not blindly put their faith into the sites for no apparent reason. And your use of first person plural seems to indicate you've already mentally segregated yourself into "us versus them." when in the end, we should all be on the same side anyhow.

PROVE he's not your boy.
yep, the numbers are there about "Who Posted?" but it doesn't show whether or not they support the Rigtard Cause. Many of those who only have 1-2 posts in this thread just popped in to make fun of the Core Fanatics, drop off a dinosaur picture or just express how funny this "debate" is.

So, I respectfully disagree with your estimate and look forward to detailed figures.

If it was 7.5:1 you woud see one almost every hand.
Back to school for you me thinks!!

Has nothing to do with the sites. I do not blindly put my faith in people's conspiracy theories when they have zero proof.

I would treat a 9/11 "melting steel" guy the same way I treat a riggedologist like yourself. Show me verifiable proof to support your beliefs and I will believe you. Until then you are another routine guy who makes stuff up for a personal agenda who will never show a single bit of actual proof.

Odds of a pocket pair flopping a set = 1 - (chance of not flopping a set)

= 1 - (chance first flop card doesn't have same rank as pair * same thing for second card * same thing for third card)

= 1 - ( 48/50 * 47/49 * 46/48)
= 1 - 0.88244
= 0.11755
= 1 / 8.506944444

= 7.5 : 1

So you don't trust 'foreign' unregulated sites.

But you trust sites in t-land that are unregulated?

ROFLMAO.

We are not suspicious of you!

We just think you are idiots.

To qualify as paranoid we would need to believe that you were out to get us. Speaking purely for myself I certainly don't believe that.

Rigtards, on the other hand, self evidently do believe that the sites are conspiring to 'get them' in the sense of dishonestly part them from their money.

Thus the rigtards qualify for the epithet 'paranoid' but no rigtards do not - at least not on the basis of their imputation of the motives of rigtards.

Clear?


Have a nice day.