It's interesting to note that the top 100 players don't have these rigged issues. You don't see Lars complaining he lost 3 million because Dwan and everyone else cheated or FTP is rigged. If it was rigged, they would be the first ones to say something.

Right, and you know them personally?

As long as the pro's continue to play on these sites, I trust them (sarcasm).

BTW, there are a few well-named pro's who have indicated they thought OP was rigged.

Only the ones who suck.

OK, so back to square one - you believe online poker is not rigged. Good input

dumb

An interesting read I found:

Cryptologic are one of the biggest online poker Software suppliers and there is great speculation as to their fraudulent activities

http://cryptologicmafia.com/

A lot of information on this website speculates organized crime is heavily involved with online gaming (which I assumed myself without reading this website). There is also documented proof of past fraudulent activity from this company.

Cryptologic Inc. owns Intercasino.com at 85% and Intercasino.com is run by the criminal and wanted fugitive Mafia man Bill Scott who financed Cryptologic Inc. with heroin money he laundered at Cryptologic Inc.

Rounding, perhaps some of these guys could be more polite, but don't let that distract you from their point. The fact is, there has been a lot of evidence in this thread favouring that online poker is not rigged. As far as I can recall, no one has challenged any of that evidence in this thread in any serious manner.

Meanwhile, every time someone has brought up a potential rigging scheme, there have been numerous arguments talking about why that would not be practical.

The fact is, there is a tremendous amount of data that we can collect individually. Anyone with HEM or pokertracker has a very good starting point. As spade has pointed out, I believe, they can point you in the right direction. I'm sure if you post stats, etc. and talk about your sample size, the stat guys can tell you how confident you can be in your numbers (ie: to what degree of error). If you don't know where to start, I'm sure these guys can help as well. While your personal data will be far from precise, it will give a very good indication. If all the rigtards did the same, you will get more and more samples which will help move towards even more accurate results. Plus, Spade has been working on some things which he's promised to reveal when he's done. He's given some teasers which are quite convincing. Call him a fraud if you want, but make sure to back it up if you do.

Otherwise, we have to rely to some extent on the stat guys like Spade and decide on our own whether his explanations make sense or not. Whether his arguments seem sound.

That would be much better than simply posting that the OP companies are so big and smart that they must have come up with some completely indetectable scheme that also boosts profits. Or just referring to bad beats or other dishonest things that have occured in online poker that have nothing to do with rigging.

Do me a favor - please don't talk to me like I don't know what im talking about. I'm not some random guy complaining about a bad beat i've studied this topic thoroughly for about a year now and have researched/discussed each argument in and out.

Also, if you go back about 40-50 pages ( i think ) i posted about 300,000 (maybe more,maybe less.. somewhere around there.) which were collected and analyzed through PT which were WAY under expected value. Do I consider this evidence? No. But just making a point.

if its not evidence youre failing to make a point DUCY

Can you name a top player who thinks it's rigged?

You see this is where you demonstrate to everyone what a complete moron you are.

I've stated time and time and time again that I believe that OLP is very probably not rigged.

I don't know whether or not it is any more than you do.

Because it's the only thing left when people are as cretinous as you.

I've provided logical explanations of why OLP is probably not rigged.

I've explained some of the probability maths necessary to help people understand their so called 'impossible' beats.

I've given a detailed plan of how you could go about checking you own HH against an easily obtainable database to prove any rigging that was there.

And you and the other idiot tendency rigtards just ignore that and come back a couple of days later with the same lame old nonsense.

Have you yet provided any evidence that you are not a child molestor?

Can you show us concrete evidence that you have not served time for molesting little children?

If only it were true.

They might send a couple of the lads round to 'have a quiet word' with you.

I expect they'd talk a language you'd understand.

Why?

You have provided copious amounts of evidence that you haven't the slightest clue about that of which you speak.

Unlike evidence that OLP is rigged of which you have provided not a shred.

It's just a pity that you do not have the mental capacity to understand your research (or, probably, even formulate it correctly).

Is OLP some kind of dyslexic poker game?

LOLOLOL I hadn't noticed that.

http://twitter.com/TheMouthMatusow/statuses/2151474540
http://www.bankrollboost.com/poker_b...-online-poker/
http://www.bankrollboost.com/poker_b...ng-over-money/
Matusow also mention online poker being rigged on Poker after Dark.

On this weeks first episode of poker after dark Mike Matusow made a comment about how good players never win online. He was talking to Shawn Sheikan about how he and David Benyamine never win playing online poker because they are good players. This is the exactly how the conversation happened:

Mike (to Sheik): me and David never win online, we are like the biggest online jokes that ever walked the earth

Sheik : you know why you guys lose

Mike : because we are good players...and all they do is go click click click and BOOM, it randomly hits a miracle

Sheik : that's alot of common sense you got Mike, good players always lose right?

Mike : good players never win online

Mike Matusow is a top player? News to me. When did he start winning in cash games?

Nothing there about being rigged.

This Sheik guy obviously enjoys a spot of sarcasm.

Move to B&M Mike , people will respect your raises there.

Can you name a top player who isn't affiliated with a top site besides durrrrr?

You don't bite the hand that feed's you and it's probably in their contract's not to say anything negative about their affiliate sites.

Yeah, that would be the reason.

It couldn't possibly be that the top players, actually having some ability to play poker, don't exhibit the self indulgent paranoia that poor players who do not want to take responsibility for their own failure are so fond of.

Supperbowl, if you spent half as much time learning probability maths as you do whining like a little girl on this forum, you might actually find that you start winning a little and the 'rigging' goes away.

You know your argument is in trouble when you quote Mike Matusow as an expert on advanced statistical theory and mathematics.

Rather like appealing to GWB as an expert on the articulate use of English.

Seriously, is Mike Matusow really the most credible authority that online poker is rigged? Really?