Woooosh!

In reality, of course, it's just that you're crap at poker.

That and your very low encephalization quotient.

Pokerstars exists what I know and check their activities is what they are fear.
When officials on Isle of Man(home of Pokerstars) will checking Pokerstars it will be really comedy. I hope they leave their new cars home. Checking UFO is problem - nobody see UFO - and except mentals and childrens nobodoy has care about it. But you can see Pokerstars - right on your desktop so check them is no problem. You can say there are other pokerrooms - but Pokerstars blocked 120000 fishes every day in their room.
Some repetition for dumbs : you can not check what no exist but it is not case of Pokerstars and other rooms.
I have not prove because I have small sample of hands, I have no money for big trial with Pokerstars and I have not mathematical backround
for this proves.
BUT IS VERY EASY FOR POKERROOMS SHOW PROVE THAT ONLINE POKER IS NOT RIGGED AND THEY DON´T DO IT.
If their business is honest they make only profit from this move.
If they have not big profit don´t doing this move.
(back to start - if they are proud for their RNG generator and pure random cards why they don´t check random distribution to every random deck?)

You do realize that Josem, a guy who works for Pokerstars and posts in this thread, has probably done more to explain how the deal works and how it's not rigged than anybody I've seen. This is the same guy who was instrumental in uncovering the cheating at UB/AP using detailed statistical analysis.

Call me crazy, but I'm willing to bet you have NO IDEA what poker rooms have done or not done in regard to showing how their RNG works.

Have you e-mailed Pokerstars and asked them for information on their deal? Have you even given them a chance to answer questions about your concerns? Or are you just going to come into these threads like all the other rigtard idiots who spout out a bunch of crap when it's clear they have no idea what they're talking about?

The one thing clear about you and people like you is that your mind is made up already. There isn't a damn thing anybody could show you that would convince you the games are fair, even if they're 100% proven to be fair you still wouldn't believe it. K13 is a great example. He complains about something, Josem and spadebidder prove him wrong in a great amount of detail, and then he basically just says he doesn't care and he knows it's rigged.

If you had any legitimate evidence whatsoever that the games were rigged every person in this thread would listen to you and would want to know about it. But like all the others, you clearly don't.

In summary,

With all due respect....

Well, not really.... what the hell are you talking about?

I will try explain for not technical guys : why somebody has care about control
that cards are random shuffled (in other words abou RNG server or generator in coding) if folow-up uncontrolled deal to table with unlimited opportunities to cheating?
If you can do easy prove that you are not cheater and you don´t do it this behaviour can have many reasons : but most likely because you are cheater.

Can someone translate this to English, I have almost no idea what you are trying to say. Are you saying that Poker sites should get their RNGs checked by external companies?

If so this has already been done, at least by PokerStars, and the test didn't make the slightest bit of difference to probably any rigtard in the world. After all how can they be sure PokerStars didn't change the algorithm as soon as the test was over?

Fortunately there is no need to rely on such tests, as you can already see the output of the RNG (the hands that are dealt), and there are enough hands on Pokerftp to test whether the deal is rigged or not for yourself. I doubt a poker site has much interest in wasting tens of thousands of dollars on an audit which proves literally nothing.

A point I have made many times.

But actually more strongly in that if you have a clue about programming and RNG's you will realise that ****ing up the RNG is not a practical way to rig the deal. Wreck it, maybe, but not rig it.

It's impossible to prove that you do not cheat when the person to whom you are offering the proof is a rigtard.

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I will try to explain for those without technical knowledge: Why do people worry about coding and randomness of the RNG when there are unlimited opportuinties to rig the game in the programming that follows reading it.

If you are able to prove you do not cheat but do not do so this could be for a number of reasons the most likely of which is that you are a cheat.
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then it's not a RANDOM Number Generator.
so bad players just started getting lucky occasionally?

Pro Tip: If you can't beat the bad players over a week/month then you aren't better than them. These bad players might get lucky occasionally, but they go broke sooner than later. How does that benefit the site? Cause they manage to play an extra 60 hands? The rake they pay over that course of time is about $3 - do you think the reward (three bucks) is worth the risk (rigging scandal) to them?

And I still believe that when you win money from a poor player and continue to play they're raking the same amount, as winners tend to move up in stakes, thus pots are bigger/more rake. So in the long run, they get ahead.

Logic
To a rigtard
Is as water to the back of a duck.

Years ago, I did the old Royal Vegas promo where they matched your deposit up front, up to $100, and you could withdraw your money nearly immediately. You had to play 1000 "raked" hands (house had to take .25 for it to count) and the lowest it could be was blinds of .25/.50 - which of course is fairly irresponsible to play with only $100, but it was "free" money I was using, and my only goal was to get in the hands so I could keep it. I figured I could just nut-peddle for a while and get it done.

There were a couple of days when I couldn't find a 50NL game at all, so I eventually gave Pot-Limit Omaha a shot. At first, I ran really well despite barely knowing how to play the game. I'm still not terribly good at it, but that ties in here. I had my free $100 up to about $180 or so after a couple of sessions and was well on my way to the 1k hand mark. I thought I was the ****.

Then variance hit me, and I took a beating, as PLO will often do to ya. My $180 went down to roughly $50 and I was worried. I went back to 50NL and just folding for my life and managed to finish up with ~ $70. I considered that an accomplishment, since I started with nothing, but I learned this:

I sucked at PLO and just got lucky for a couple of days. When my lack of skill caught up, I lost a bit of money. I never blamed the site for doomswitching me, I just knew I had no business playing that game. In fact, if the site wanted to screw me, wouldn't they have just made me lose all that money which they gave me at every table I sat at?

This rigging thing just makes no sense, as it doesn't make the sites more money - people play and the site gets paid regardless. They can't change the cards during the hand to benefit people because people make outlandish decisions which seem to guarantee they'll lose the maximum and/or win the minimum. There's no way software can anticipate the depths of their horrible play and adjust to make losing players into winners. How often do you lose a big pot to a horrible guy, only to break him before he leaves? What's beneficial about that? The $3 more in rake he pays before leaving for good and starting a thread here?

I couldn't understand any of this stuff... until I started thinking in my faux Russian accent, after which, I understood EXACTLY what PavelC was trying to say.

Of course I still found it ridiculous, but at least I understood.

[QUOTE=okiehustler;5221119]Bad beats are part of the game. I understand that. But after absorbing more than my fair share on Poker Stars I switched to Full Tilt six months ago. The first few months were much better over on Full Tilt.

Now Full Tilt is worse than Poker Stars ever was. The past month has been brutal. Tonight I've had pocket aces six times. All six times I lost to someone with a lower pocket pair.

I can't tell you how many times (at least 100 times the past thee weeks) where someone needs one card, especially two or three hours into a tournament, and they hit when odds are 90 to 95% in my favor.

You tell yourself that's poker until it happens time after time after time.

I enjoy playing poker online but I'm about ready to give it up. There doesn't seem to be a site to where it plays out like a casino. You see bad beats in a casino but NOTHING like Full Tilt and Poker Stars back when I played over on that site.

Curious as to others observations. Is there a site that's on the up and up or is it time to retire from online poker where you start to get the feeling the deck literally is stacked against you

I was just reading your post , an it felt like i just wrote it . Poker stars is flat out bull **** . They give me the worst beat when it counts the most . 3-4 hours in a tournament they will hand me a retarted beat and rewards the idiot who doesnt even play aggressive but calls with the worst hand.

This is a great way to find out that its rigged , try stalling time and using foul language on the table . They will start handing you impossible set ups in a row!!!!
I have played on stars for 5 years and never cashed anything big its not freaking possible , they will make you go crazy and break the computer in front of you .
Im not stupid but i cant handle this on going BS that has went for far too long now. Its to a point where i dont even want to talk about the beats that when i do talk about them i feel like people will think im bull shttn.

I played on party poker when it was still alive in the US and cashed out thousands in such a short time.

[QUOTE=statoyan;11616729] Something makes me think you really don't....

But how many times have you won with them? Have you even looked at any long term stats?


Is this 100 times from memory, or have you looked at your stats? And how many times has your 90% hand held up?


I know in my local casino they have a strict "No Bad Beats" policy.

Yes, it is time to retire from all poker when you think the deck is literally stacked against you. You should at least take a break, because you will hardly be making good decisions.

Is there a single rigtard who plays primarily cash games? A bad beat in a tournament just hits you so much harder than being stacked in a ring game and making it all back a few hands later.

Yeah, just ask Fullflush. I'm sure the mods are just sitting around watching the chat ready to doomswitch you when you a rude to another player.


Now, if you've read this thread at all, you can't possibly think this post will get anything but love from the rigtards and scorn from the rest. You must know its not proof of anything. But if you truly believe that the site is punishing you you should make a formal complaint to the site and get some justice!

ok, so this has been done to dust, but if any of you pencil-heads out there could please comment. Also, if this slant on the issue has been already covered apologies and please direct me to whereso.

Please scan this link http://www.sheldrake.org/homepage.html to Rupert Sheldrake and his theory about the collective "memory" of any complex, organising system.

Basically the theory is that anything that is a complex, organised group or entity will over time have a kind of "memory" of what it did and did not do, what actions it took and did not take etc (or what passively "happened" to it, as the case may be) and that this "memory" will be passed down and will modify future versions or actions or states of being of said same entity/group. The theory has been taken as far as to suggest that even the most fundamental physical laws of the universe may not be unchanging, but may modify or evolve over time, time itself being a factor of their experiemental or existential ordering and re-ordering.

A computer is a complex, organising system, indeed, much more so, in fact a kind of artificial "intelligence".

And playing poker on the internet, it is not like in a casino where a human dealer picks up 52 things made of paper and shuffles them each time and gives you and the other players each two and then deals three in the middle etc and when that is finished he/she does the same thing again, each new deal being completely unconnected or unrelated to the next, so there is no way one deal can influence the next one or any later ones, there is no connection between them or "memory" between them.

But on the internet a computer deals out thousands of "cards" every hour, and its central "brain" records and memorises each "card" it dealt out, to which player and whatever the result is. Over time could it not be so that this process of accumulating all those "memories" subtly changes the randomness of the whole process - in other words the computer is not dealing the cards on a completely unbiased mathematically random fashion as it was originally programmed for and as it would when first starting out, but over time it has been warped and changed in some undetectable fashion by its "memories" of dealing millions of hands out. Overall, the random number generator would perhaps still be in accord with the mathematical formula it was designed for if checked, but within the warp and whoof of its minute by minute dealing of "cards", in the very intercices of its second by second digital transfer of a players "cards" and "luck", it would perhaps operate, ever so subtly, outside the parameters of randomness, all dependent on the amount of hands and time a player has put into the site and his or her "style" and performance, all factors which would have effects on the computers "memory".

So the passionate divergence of opinion from in other matters equally sober and clear headed persons/players regarding the integrity of internet poker. The computer is out to get some and out to "help" others. And that is the reason why I am drowned in an ocean of bad luck every time I try and move up.

i love how people waste so much time on ridiculous theories when they could be doing something productive (or learning to be a good poker player - which is not necessarily something productive.)

I applaud the attempt at applying theoretical science to your losing streak, but I'm pretty sure random is still random.

In before merge

No, it's because you can't play poker well enough to move up.

You do realise it gets harder when people respect your raises?

Is this just bad luck??
A year ago i was playing the step 6 costa rica some****, dont even really remember . Top 4 get the buy-in 3,500 and 1,500 cash.
So down to 5 people blinds at 200-400bb.
the button has a measly 760 chips, SB 2,600, BB 3,600 , im first up with 4,800 and player on my left has 1700

Im dealted AA i push , BB thinks for a while and calls KK ...flop...turn...river K
BB doubles up, im left with 1,200 .

Next hand im BB and dealted AQ short stack(760chips) push's all in with A9
I call flop 996..x..x shorts stack doubles up , im left with 400 chips an next hand i come out

The AA hand came after two other pre-flop shoves i did to steal blinds. believe me I did not want a call!!!! Should i have not played the AA and folded till the BB reached the short stack ????

but when there are 1000s of ppl log on and play..
then small tiny rake become big profit/sec.

not enough to risk an already profitable business over.

plus you seem to have missed my point about the guy who wins all the money playing higher stakes and paying more rake, so it's a wash.

(Arouet) hey smart a** After all its on a computer so any freaking thing is possible . They can preset every hand . Say what you say and i know what i know .
AN if you so smart and no all the right answers why dont you shut your lil pie hole and play on 3 monitors running 60 table on 3 different sites and stop waiting your time!

Since you have all these perfect explanations maybe you should consider running for mayor , for a town called pokerstars

including learning how to play well and being profitable. try that for a change.
you're confused - you don't "know" anything, you have a "hunch." they're not the same thing.
sometimes we take breaks.
towns don't have mayors, cities do.