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06-30-2009 , 10:43 AM
no ur a shrill
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06-30-2009 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by pen15
That is not the point, it is not done automaticaly which many sites do, it creates an oppertunity for cheating.
You clearly are an industry shrill.
your tragic spelling indicates you clearly are below average intelligence.

ironically, you provided the irrefutable proof which allowed me to come to that conclusion. your statement about NFeugo, otoh, is based on nothing more than "a feeling."

feel free to post your analysis, but 'til then, you're just another bullet catcher in the Rigtard Army.
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06-30-2009 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by pen15
You clearly are an industry shrill.
And you are obviously a complete idiot.

Now, can we move on?

Last edited by qpw; 06-30-2009 at 10:53 AM.
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06-30-2009 , 10:47 AM
Everytime i hit my head against that wall my head hurts. That wall must be rigged.

And what's a shrill?
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06-30-2009 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by MrMuckets
Everytime i hit my head against that wall my head hurts. That wall must be rigged.

And what's a shrill?
It's an idiot who get's it into his head that his abysmal results at poker are not the result of his woeful poker expertise but some mysterious 'rigging' that sites undertake, supposedly to keep more players playing on their sites.

(Despite the fact that common sense tells us that if the actually were rigging the game they would more likely be LOSING players).

This idiots then come onto this forum and declaim their ******ed beliefs in a shrill fashion, hence the name.

I think that's correct.
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06-30-2009 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by pen15
They don't store them automatially as they should so there is no audit trail.
It facilitates cheating, mind you a poker site shrill would not care too much about something which pays his wages.
Storing hand histories on your computer is not automatially on any poker site. You have to set it up to do that. Nevertheless, if something happened and you missed one, Party Poker will provide your hand histories to you on request, as will all poker sites. I also assume you weren't playing solo, and 6-9 other players sat at the table. And there's the fact that numerous commercial sites datamine Party Poker and store hand histories. Yeah, there's lots of opportunity for them to just cover up the rigged hands by just throwing away the hand histories. You aren't the sharpest tool in the shed, are you.

I usually stay away from rigtard bashing and try to be helpful, but your idea is the most ridiculous argument for rigging I've ever seen, and I'm grouchy this morning.

Last edited by spadebidder; 06-30-2009 at 11:35 AM. Reason: forgive me lord and watch over the pigmies in new guinea amen
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06-30-2009 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
Storing hand histories on your computer is not automatially on any poker site. You have to set it up to do that. Nevertheless, if something happened and you missed one, Party Poker will provide your hand histories to you on request, as will all poker sites. I also assume you weren't playing solo, and 6-9 other players sat at the table. And theres the fact that numerous commercial sites datamine Party Poker and store hand histories. Yeah, there's lots of opportunity for them to just cover up the rigged hands by just throwing away the hand histories. You aren't the sharpest tool in the shed, are you.

I usually stay away from rigtard bashing and try to be helpful, but your idea is the most ridiculous argument for rigging I've ever seen, and I'm grouchy this morning.
Nah, I still put the guy who had the Russian mafia and entropy theories ahead of him. Maybe even the guy who had the "thought experiment" that pondered the deep question of "if something impossible could be proven then is it no longer impossible?" Both of those guys seemed to have a couple brain cells of sorts so their theories have to be given a bigger thumbs down then this guy (who clearly is just extremely slow).

This guy does prepare you for the quality and style of responses your large study will likely get when you present it. Have fun with that
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06-30-2009 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Nah, I still put the guy who had the Russian mafia and entropy theories ahead of him. Maybe even the guy who had the "thought experiment" that pondered the deep question of "if something impossible could be proven then is it no longer impossible?" Both of those guys seemed to have a couple brain cells of sorts so their theories have to be given a bigger thumbs down then this guy (who clearly is just extremely slow).

This guy does prepare you for the quality and style of responses your large study will likely get when you present it. Have fun with that
Yeah, but those others were interesting and had some amusement value. This one was just irritating.
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06-30-2009 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Josem
2) Has anyone provided any evidence that online poker is rigged?
Did you not read how bad I was running? Does your heartlessness know no bounds???

Oh yeah, I guess you did have someone boomswitch me. Thanks.
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06-30-2009 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by NFuego20
no ur a shrill
no, you !
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06-30-2009 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by pen15
I have also seen players making massive bets with a poor hands and forcing me to put down a good hand (but not the nut's).
How dare they! Is this your "overwhelming circumstantial evidence"? You're my new favourite.
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06-30-2009 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by pen15
Did I mention their RNG?
The thread's about whether online poker is rigged, which generally would take place with the RNG. Superusers are a completely separate topic, and bringing them up has nothing to do with anything.

It's like saying Bank of America and Chase are stealing the interest from your savings accounts because Bernie Madoff ran a Ponzi scheme.
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Is that a fraudian slip by a shrill?
This has already been touched on, but I'll just toss another "lol wut" on here.
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Very revealing, no wonder they did not save hand histories.
Who's "they"? You know, most sites let you request older hand histories.

Also, not to continue being a "shrill" for UB, but wasn't that Holy Grail hand you were talking about at Party? So who the hell are you calling me a "shrill" for exactly?
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And of course you ar talking about the cheating which was proven to have taken place, do you think that was all that went on??
Crazily enough, with all the statistical analysis that took place, that was all that turned up. Not certain users winning more often than they should, not short stacks sucking out on big stacks (or big on short, depending on which flavor of that theory you prefer), just a few names playing and winning far more hands than was possible.
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06-30-2009 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
Storing hand histories on your computer is not automatially on any poker site. You have to set it up to do that. Nevertheless, if something happened and you missed one, Party Poker will provide your hand histories to you on request, as will all poker sites. I also assume you weren't playing solo, and 6-9 other players sat at the table. And there's the fact that numerous commercial sites datamine Party Poker and store hand histories. Yeah, there's lots of opportunity for them to just cover up the rigged hands by just throwing away the hand histories. You aren't the sharpest tool in the shed, are you.

I usually stay away from rigtard bashing and try to be helpful, but your idea is the most ridiculous argument for rigging I've ever seen, and I'm grouchy this morning.
If they were interested in integrity and honesty and transparancy they would store them by default, however thay are not so a lot dont' some do however
so you are 100% wrong there, but thats no surprise

You can't mie data that is not there, it's like drilling for oil New York City, you aare wasting your time you fool cos there aint any there sunshine.

Anyway another thinly veiled site shrill
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06-30-2009 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by pen15
Did I mention their RNG?

Is that a fraudian slip by a shrill?
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Originally Posted by pen15
They don't store them automatially as they should so there is no audit trail.
It facilitates cheating, mind you a poker site shrill would not care too much about something which pays his wages.
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Originally Posted by pen15
That is not the point, it is not done automaticaly which many sites do, it creates an oppertunity for cheating.
You clearly are an industry shrill.
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Originally Posted by pen15
You can't mie data that is not there, it's like drilling for oil New York City, you aare wasting your time you fool cos there aint any there sunshine.

Anyway another thinly veiled site shrill

The words of a fool
Although disturbing the air
Remain forever void
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06-30-2009 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DMoogle
Oh yeah and another guy hit a straight.
Hands were something like:
QQ44
3578
KT99

3578 guy was mostly all-in preflop.

Board:
A94Q2
This is how stupid you really are...
Did you see the dealer deal the cards?

Did you have an opperunity to watch him shuffle?

Could you tell if the other player was a human or a robot?

If you saw all those things...COMMON SENSE tells you it's legit....

If you saw all these things and still thought live poker was rigged, then you'd have to think the dealer is a magician and can deal any sequence of cards he wishes...which would be identified as "PARANOID!"
Wouldn't that be logical? I know what point you were trying to make...that you could save live is rigged just like online...but how can you live with yourself for making such stupid comparisons....?
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06-30-2009 , 03:02 PM
I have a real question, that I don't know the answer too. Instead of me pounding the keyboard and making accusations with out any proof, I'll ask for an honest answer.
I know we've had pages full of how the rng's work and the "static" shuffle...But is it possible whatsoever, for the Security, Software Designer, Techs, the CEO, anybody, for them to see exactly what the outcome is of the hand dealt?(Watching a table in real time, and having something that tells them what cards are coming so that they know their' RNG is working properly?)

I want to also mention there is a difference in perception for "shills" and employee for poker sites. The shills I refer to are the ones that do it and act like they're everyday players just like us. Josem prolly hates my posts, but I think he's the most credible and trustworthy of any posters on this forum that has affiliation with a poker site. Considering what he's done for the poker community.
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06-30-2009 , 03:19 PM
Josem why is it that you still have not answered my question about whether your heartlessness knows no bounds?

I find that interesting.
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06-30-2009 , 03:24 PM
Is so obvious with party poker, their bonuses are unclear and confusing, and get this, whats that big "DEPOSIT" button on their software home page'. no withdraw button of course I even have to make a deposit to withdraw my money!!

They 'cheat' at every stage of the process, it's all con con con cheat cheat cheat
from sign up to 'bonuses' to withdrawal, you can even close you table and log off, then if you sign in again BINGO!! you are back seated at a table you wanted to leave, the list goes on and on.

Quite frankly anyone defending them is a laughing stock, you may as well have I am a site shrill tatooed on your forehead.

Thanks for identifying youselves
Makes thinkgs a whoooooooooole lot easiier
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06-30-2009 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by pen15
Is so obvious with party poker, their bonuses are unclear and confusing, and get this, whats that big "DEPOSIT" button on their software home page'. no withdraw button of course I even have to make a deposit to withdraw my money!!

They 'cheat' at every stage of the process, it's all con con con cheat cheat cheat
from sign up to 'bonuses' to withdrawal, you can even close you table and log off, then if you sign in again BINGO!! you are back seated at a table you wanted to leave, the list goes on and on.

Quite frankly anyone defending them is a laughing stock, you may as well have I am a site shrill tatooed on your forehead.

Thanks for identifying youselves
Makes thinkgs a whoooooooooole lot easiier
I'm still unclear on your stance regarding this issue.
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06-30-2009 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
This is how stupid you really are...
Did you see the dealer deal the cards?

Did you have an opperunity to watch him shuffle?

Could you tell if the other player was a human or a robot?

If you saw all those things...COMMON SENSE tells you it's legit....

If you saw all these things and still thought live poker was rigged, then you'd have to think the dealer is a magician and can deal any sequence of cards he wishes...which would be identified as "PARANOID!"
If the game is being dealt in a large known casino then it would be silly to think they would take the risk to cheat you or anyone.

If the live game was dealt in a basement with random people you have never seen, then common sense would dictate that bad things are more likely (though not guaranteed) to happen.

If the online game is dealt by a company with a long track record that deals literally thousands of hands per second, common sense would dictate that it is fair.

Of course, others believe the common sense approach is to assume that all of these thousands of hands per second are carefully manipulated based on vague assumptions to screw people (usually losing bitter players), all the while with not a single person involved in any of these frauds over the years over hundreds of online rooms telling, while also avoiding any detection from statistical studies.

Everyone has their own version of common sense. Some is a bit more uncommon, creative, and elaborate and as a result quite entertaining.


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Originally Posted by tk1133
Wouldn't that be logical? I know what point you were trying to make...that you could save live is rigged just like online...but how can you live with yourself for making such stupid comparisons....?
I suspect somehow he will manage to keep going on with life despite your beliefs.

If you quit online poker like Scoop, then props for you as well. Even if excuses and rationalizations about dark sinister forces are given for why you quit, at least you stopped playing a game you could not and likely could never beat.

All the best.
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06-30-2009 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by pen15
Is so obvious with party poker, their bonuses are unclear and confusing, and get this, whats that big "DEPOSIT" button on their software home page'. no withdraw button of course I even have to make a deposit to withdraw my money!!

They 'cheat' at every stage of the process, it's all con con con cheat cheat cheat
from sign up to 'bonuses' to withdrawal, you can even close you table and log off, then if you sign in again BINGO!! you are back seated at a table you wanted to leave, the list goes on and on.

Quite frankly anyone defending them is a laughing stock, you may as well have I am a site shrill tatooed on your forehead.

Thanks for identifying youselves
Makes thinkgs a whoooooooooole lot easiier

The words of a fool
Although disturbing the air
Remain forever void
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06-30-2009 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
This is how stupid you really are...
Oi!

Don't call DMoogle stupid.
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06-30-2009 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by tk1133
I have a real question, that I don't know the answer too. Instead of me pounding the keyboard and making accusations with out any proof, I'll ask for an honest answer.
I know we've had pages full of how the rng's work and the "static" shuffle...But is it possible whatsoever, for the Security, Software Designer, Techs, the CEO, anybody, for them to see exactly what the outcome is of the hand dealt?(Watching a table in real time, and having something that tells them what cards are coming so that they know their' RNG is working properly?)

I want to also mention there is a difference in perception for "shills" and employee for poker sites. The shills I refer to are the ones that do it and act like they're everyday players just like us. Josem prolly hates my posts, but I think he's the most credible and trustworthy of any posters on this forum that has affiliation with a poker site. Considering what he's done for the poker community.
Nobody knows what goes on at the site except the folk who work there and they won't know what others are 'up to'
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06-30-2009 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by qpw
The words of a fool
Although disturbing the air
Remain forever void

The words of a shrill
Although disturbing the air
Remain forever void
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06-30-2009 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by pen15
The words of a shrill
Although disturbing the air
Remain forever void
Oh, very clever!

I see what you did, there.
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