The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition
06-13-2009
, 10:42 PM
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I think this is the way most sensible people feel. The only difference in opinions being that some people thing that it could be rigged without detection, whereas others don't believe this to be possible. I'm in the latter camp.
And then there are the select few who are convinced it is definitely rigged, and explain away the fact that they have no evidence by claiming it can't be proved. It's beyond me how anyone can be certain of something that can't be proved; I guess it's a "faith" think like religion. Come to think of it, I'd say the rigged believers have a lot in common with religious fanatics.
And then there are the select few who are convinced it is definitely rigged, and explain away the fact that they have no evidence by claiming it can't be proved. It's beyond me how anyone can be certain of something that can't be proved; I guess it's a "faith" think like religion. Come to think of it, I'd say the rigged believers have a lot in common with religious fanatics.
In other words, if you lose to what you think is a scam, you deserve to be scammed!
Jesus said that.
06-13-2009
, 11:59 PM
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Since you seem to have posted here for years (as opposed to a healthy amount of the hit and run riggedologists (like - one word - hackers guy), and since you responded to an earlier post of mine please allow me to offer some possibilities to your concerns.
This requires one to be a blind believer of the "make it so" software platform. You say what you want it to do and it magically does it with no one ever finding out.
Stars has dealt billions and billions of hands. Other rooms have also dealt billions of hands. They make money from rake on those hands (even tourney ones through the buy in). Nearly every hand is boring and unmemorable, yet when the strange things happen as they will at times people look for reasons.
The reasons are simple. Billions of hands will yield to varying degrees all sorts of strange things.
I even posted my hand in stud of runner runner quads losing to runner runner runner straight flush. I thought it was funny, because it was.
Why in any practical sense would a room cheat in this way? I am talking real world, not made up conspiracy world. Sometimes the proposed crime is just to inefficient and pointless and risky in the context of the industry that that in and by itself deters it from happening.
You are saying "online poker is rigged." People who try to dance around their riggedologist beliefs are annoying, just accept who you are.
So ask yourself what you are proposing. Were they targeting you specifically? Do you really think they can set it up where 70% favorites lose every time and no one has noticed but you? And no one has the data base to prove it even with it happening all the time?
You had an unlucky streak (if it actually happened - many stretch reality in these cases) and that streak messed with your head and you created a set of beliefs to explain something that was simply a bad bit of luck at best (no idea how you played the actual hands but many riggedologists play quite badly and assign blame elsewhere).
I missed a spot for an event in Manila when with 4 people left on Titan (3 spots) after nearly an hour of very tough play I lost an all in when my 10 10 got called by 9 2 suited preflop. It made zero sense until the guy screamed "OMG I MISCLICKED!"
Sometimes $%^&^ happens.
That is called basic paranoia and you are creating beliefs to validate the paranoid tendencies such as house players/bots are out there to get us all with the add-on that you cannot catch them since they will alter the stats...
Try using this type of thinking and logic in other aspects of life and see how your friends and family react.
Lots of bad guys do bad things in this world, but usually there is a motive that makes sense. In this case everyone assumes it is about making more money, but if all of the poker sites are secretly sinister , dark, evil companies the fact is that they would commit crimes that were a lot better then nearly all of the paranoid riggedology suggestions, including yours.
Last, no one buys the " I am not saying I believe this, but" routine. If you are going to have these beliefs that is your right, but at least acquire a set of testicles to stand behind them like some of the other riggedologists have done. Sure I think they are a bit out there but at least they are proud of their beliefs.
All the best.
This requires one to be a blind believer of the "make it so" software platform. You say what you want it to do and it magically does it with no one ever finding out.
Stars has dealt billions and billions of hands. Other rooms have also dealt billions of hands. They make money from rake on those hands (even tourney ones through the buy in). Nearly every hand is boring and unmemorable, yet when the strange things happen as they will at times people look for reasons.
The reasons are simple. Billions of hands will yield to varying degrees all sorts of strange things.
I even posted my hand in stud of runner runner quads losing to runner runner runner straight flush. I thought it was funny, because it was.
Why in any practical sense would a room cheat in this way? I am talking real world, not made up conspiracy world. Sometimes the proposed crime is just to inefficient and pointless and risky in the context of the industry that that in and by itself deters it from happening.
You are saying "online poker is rigged." People who try to dance around their riggedologist beliefs are annoying, just accept who you are.
So ask yourself what you are proposing. Were they targeting you specifically? Do you really think they can set it up where 70% favorites lose every time and no one has noticed but you? And no one has the data base to prove it even with it happening all the time?
You had an unlucky streak (if it actually happened - many stretch reality in these cases) and that streak messed with your head and you created a set of beliefs to explain something that was simply a bad bit of luck at best (no idea how you played the actual hands but many riggedologists play quite badly and assign blame elsewhere).
I missed a spot for an event in Manila when with 4 people left on Titan (3 spots) after nearly an hour of very tough play I lost an all in when my 10 10 got called by 9 2 suited preflop. It made zero sense until the guy screamed "OMG I MISCLICKED!"
Sometimes $%^&^ happens.
That is called basic paranoia and you are creating beliefs to validate the paranoid tendencies such as house players/bots are out there to get us all with the add-on that you cannot catch them since they will alter the stats...
Try using this type of thinking and logic in other aspects of life and see how your friends and family react.
Lots of bad guys do bad things in this world, but usually there is a motive that makes sense. In this case everyone assumes it is about making more money, but if all of the poker sites are secretly sinister , dark, evil companies the fact is that they would commit crimes that were a lot better then nearly all of the paranoid riggedology suggestions, including yours.
Last, no one buys the " I am not saying I believe this, but" routine. If you are going to have these beliefs that is your right, but at least acquire a set of testicles to stand behind them like some of the other riggedologists have done. Sure I think they are a bit out there but at least they are proud of their beliefs.
All the best.
I said in my original post that I don't know if online poker is rigged or not, but it is stupid to believe that it can't possibly be rigged. That is what I said and that is what I meant. I don't have any proof that stars or tilt is rigged so I don't know 100% that they are. Some people are not republicans or democrats, they are in the middle. I'm in an area of grey with my beliefs, they are not black or white. For you to say it is impossible for a person to be undecided about something is well, dumb.
LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF THE SITES ARE RIGGED. However it has been caught on one major site and who knows if it is going on elsewhere. Afterall, like I said, these sites don't know what is going to happen in the future. Americans make up a huge percentage of there players and they could have the "take it while it is available" attitude.
The argument amongst the shills was "then why hasn't a company been caught yet". Then when absolute was caught it turned into all kinds of other excuses. Its possible. A major company was caught doing it.
Listen, I make money playing online. I don't play a lot but I win when I do. However its not nearly as much as it is offline.
Also when I said I lost 11 consecutive all in hands that I had at least a 70% statistical advantage in, THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED. It wasn't 10 hands or 12, it was 11 straight hands. Do that math.
Remember to add in some 80%'s and 90%'s in there too because I had that advantage in many of them.Don't try to play me out for a moron.
06-14-2009
, 12:27 AM
06-14-2009
, 01:06 AM
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I don't know why this needs to be repeated so often, but here goes:
1. I don't think there is anyone in this thread who has strongly said that it is impossible that the sites are rigged - only that so far THERE IS ASOLUTELY NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE THAT THIS IS GOING ON!
2. No one has said there is no cheating in online poker. But superuser accounts/hacking/screen captures are NOT the same as rigging, which relates to the dealing of the cards, not knowing what other users' cards are. This is why there is not a lot of discussion about that in this thread. There have been plenty of monster threads discussing the superusing scandals.
Folks, just because something is possible, doesn't mean it's happening. It is important that there are people in this thread who are seriously analyzing the data from the poker sites. From what I gather, there has not been one actual study showing ANY evidence of rigging.
I won't be surprised the day someone finds some good evidence, but until then...play on!
1. I don't think there is anyone in this thread who has strongly said that it is impossible that the sites are rigged - only that so far THERE IS ASOLUTELY NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE THAT THIS IS GOING ON!
2. No one has said there is no cheating in online poker. But superuser accounts/hacking/screen captures are NOT the same as rigging, which relates to the dealing of the cards, not knowing what other users' cards are. This is why there is not a lot of discussion about that in this thread. There have been plenty of monster threads discussing the superusing scandals.
Folks, just because something is possible, doesn't mean it's happening. It is important that there are people in this thread who are seriously analyzing the data from the poker sites. From what I gather, there has not been one actual study showing ANY evidence of rigging.
I won't be surprised the day someone finds some good evidence, but until then...play on!
