I stopped reading after this since this is in no way what I suggested.

You essentially said that all businesses make bad decisions.

Then you're reading it wrong. Stupid/evil business practices have happened. That in no way means >>>EVERY<<< business has committed them. Yeesh.

Also, you guys seem to think I'm in the rigged camp here when I'm not. Take the time to bother reading my initial post in this thread.

I asked a simple question and have gotten nothing but convoluted/irrelevant "answers".

I had to quit stars after the run I've had recently. I know this is a sample size violation but hell I have to share. During my bad run a I played a guy who has an excellent sharkscope record. I was playing in $100 hu sitngos. I mean this guys sharkscope graph just goes straight up with no significant downsings over 4K matches. I plalyed him 4 matches and lost all 4. In the matches one of us was all-in a total of 8 times. He won every all-in despite going all in with the best hand only twice, only once having me crushed with the other being a major cooler. Anyway I didn't think he had any edge on me so I started watching him play some other matches. He won every match. I can't remember how many all-ins I saw him win but it was like 6 and he had the best hand only once going in. When you combined my matches with the matches I watched it looks like he's just the luckiest donk in the world, and there is is sharkscope just steadily climbing like the slope of a mountain. In the meantime its like if I get all in with AQ vs. A6 I am actually shocked to win. I have made money on the site but I believe it is primarily through getting folds and capitalizing when people make huge mistakes.

You come to a forum like this and read the rational explanations by intelligent people as to why the sites are not rigged. Then you go play and it's like your 98% on the flop and lose lose lose. It's got to the point where when I see the stars poker table I get queasy as if I am going to vomit (I swear it's true) and it was at that point I had to withdraw it all. I really felt like it was affecting my health. Tired of auto-expecting dominating hands to lose. Tired of flopping trips and lsoing every time heads up. Tired of check-callling sets in heads up simply because there is one funcky straight possible then thinking how well I played not to go broke there when, shocker, they have the 85 for the straight. Tired of seeing high quality players come in and posts graphs showing stars has them at hundreds of buy-ins below equity with the damn expectation and actual earnings looking like the damn opening of a crocs mouth.

That **** is over and it feels good.

With all the "beats" he posts, his algorithm vision needs LASIK.

There are many arguments for the sites not being rigged. However these arguments are not found in the trust of the restraint in risk management and ethics of completely unregulated corporations whose only motive is to make as much as possible.

One thing I have said that no one who would call anyone a rigged tard has ever had an answer to: what if the guy at UB had used the slightest bit of restraint? He could have gone on undiscovered indefinitely and those who placed so much faith in the online poker would be in here defending UB as well.

If "having a lot to risk has never hindered questionable/stupid business practices", then what has?

Even if that is true, treating the customers well and not cheating them is often the road to fortune.

I think that's been brought up before, and you're absolutely correct (pun not intended, Cereusly), he could have gone undetected. Although it would have needed more than the "slightest" bit of restraint IMO. Of course, the argument here isn't about "super users" for the most part.

However, I think saying people are "defending" sites is misrepresenting the debate a little. It's not like most people here believe that site x or site y could not, under any circumstances, be rigged. The argument is against those who, with no evidence, insist that some or all sites are rigged. Not just that they suspect so, but that they know so. Logic or reason be damned. Those who argue against have seen no evidence of this from their own play, so of course they'd like to see some evidence that contradicts their own experience before buying into it.

Play weaker opponents, not ones that have great sharkscope graphs. I am not a HU sit and go expert, but I suspect there is more to the game then just the handful of all in hands you mention. I have a hard time believing he got his results calling 80 BB shoves with A6o on hand 1 of a sit and go. He probably is a lot better then you in general.


You did the right thing if you do not have the emotional fortitude to handle these losses when they happen.


We have all been there, and we all have stories like yours. In Omaha DoNs I cannot ever seem to beat the regular who has the freaking Sponge Bob icon (yesterday added a 0-4 vs him with 4 AA hands including AAKK and AAKJ ds). Fortunately he is a 5/0 player so his stack is usually not lethal even if I lose.

I have even been seen saying "I cant beat the DAMN SPONGE!" at the tables. Yes it is annoying, but these things happen and the sponge losses along with a day of being unable to win a coin flip yesterday led to what I call a break even "treadmill day."

I have no doubt that many riggedologists would have confirmed their beliefs of rigged software and house players based on my short term luck yesterday, but these runs happen and how you handle them is just as important to your game as anything else.

Your issue is not that the world is rigged against you. It is that you use poor game selection, lack proper emotional control, and you probably play a lot worse when stressed then you think (and maybe overall as well). If you dealt with these issues properly you might find the world is less rigged against you.


Market forces do a lot more regulation then you might think. You can try to sell bottled water for $100 a bottle to "make more money" but the odds are you will not sell any. You can hire pick pockets to steal from your customers when they enter your store but odds are that will not be a good long term business choice to make, even if you face minimal criminal issues from it.

Anyone who has run a business knows the best approach for LONG term success is to provide a product or service that customers want at a price they are willing to pay.

Not sure why people think this goes out the window in this industry. Hell, it even applies to the street drug trade.

LOL your so nieve. Like the Isle of mann would do anything to a business generating them millions every year. Have you recently followed the MP expenses fraud in the UK, the authorities are only out to make money.

Dumbass

What is the players name?

My guess is that it s a house player/bot thrown in to make extra cash for the site.

Wow, you are progressing really quickly at being paranoid. You are not even trying anymore to use any "facts" or "logic." Next step is Russian/Israel mafia and then eventually...

Lizard people.

Bitter people who cannot hack it at an activity they think they should be good at makes for an entertaining combo. To your credit, you were smart enough to quit something you could not beat, which also gives you more time to see all of the hidden, dark, secret, black ops level conspiracies and hidden truths that exist in the world around you in your mind.

Enjoy that new hobby of yours.

All the best.

Over a million in total. Over 500k on PS atleast.

Full Tilt Poker Game #12613639373: Table Escada (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 8:36:03 ET - 2009/06/04
Seat 1: ownmeplz ($399.25)
Seat 2: shamil1031 ($131.35)
Seat 3: Yorgk ($62.25)
Seat 4: OOOOBlubbOOOO ($204)
Seat 5: petertje1007 ($218.40)
Seat 6: So Sooo SICK ($234)
OOOOBlubbOOOO posts the small blind of $1
petertje1007 posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Yorgk [Qc Qs]
So Sooo SICK folds
ownmeplz raises to $7
shamil1031 folds
Yorgk calls $7
OOOOBlubbOOOO folds
petertje1007 folds
*** FLOP *** [Qh Ks 6c]
ownmeplz checks
Yorgk checks
*** TURN *** [Qh Ks 6c] [8d]
ownmeplz bets $10
Yorgk calls $10
*** RIVER *** [Qh Ks 6c 8d] [9s]
ownmeplz bets $26
Yorgk raises to $45.25, and is all in
ownmeplz calls $19.25
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Yorgk shows [Qc Qs] three of a kind, Queens
ownmeplz shows [7d 5d] a straight, Nine high
ownmeplz wins the pot ($124.50) with a straight, Nine high
Yorgk is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $127.50 | Rake $3
Board: [Qh Ks 6c 8d 9s]
Seat 1: ownmeplz showed [7d 5d] and won ($124.50) with a straight, Nine high
Seat 2: shamil1031 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Yorgk (button) showed [Qc Qs] and lost with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 4: OOOOBlubbOOOO (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: petertje1007 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: So Sooo SICK didn't bet (folded)

**** this game quitting

Do you see how often Durrrr gets in bad and wins. lol

Too bad, pre-flop you're ****ed. Just like I'm playing now AK vs A6, instant lose for my ak, < 50%

getting it in good = bad beats

There is no algorithm to understand or exploit if one is complaining about it. If you found an adventagous "secret", you wouldn't be bitching. Period.

Yeah Ive had some nice ones like that.

Me AA
V 66
V2 KQ

Flop A 6 x

Turn J

River 10 LOL!

How often do 2 guys hit sets on the flop on its own never mind the other douche in the hand catching runner runner.

so why didn't you have a full buy-in at the beginning of the hand? playing above your bankroll? lost another hand with tragic play just before?

it's not rigged, you have leaks. drop down and study up. don't believe me? post this hand in the Small Stakes PL/NL Forum and see what they say there.

That hand history the newbie riggedologist posted pretty much sums up many of the flaws of the beliefs.

QQ lot to 57 so it must be rigged...

Or one can look at how the QQ person played it. He never re raised pre flop. He never bet the flop. He never raised the turn (when the other player semi bluff bet). He waited to shove most of the money in on the river once he was behind.

He managed to butcher the hand pretty much on every street, he had many chances to simply take down this hand but did not. Was his loss due to his play? I am sure not in his mind. For him it was due to rigged software that allowed QQ to lose that hand.

The hand was so badly played I would wonder if it was posted as a "level" however it seems to be his hand history. If it was an observed hand I would assume it was someone posting it to make a joke of riggedologist beliefs.

To his credit, he at least posted a hand as opposed to that K guy who whines about fictional bad beats while claiming a 150% ROI in probably 1/2 cent games. His $20,000 challenge bet should come any moment.




If you played it as badly as the QQ guy did then it is your fault. He never made the 57 guy even face a single bet at any time in the hand except at the river once he was beat. Would not surprise me if you and 66 guy both want super duper fancy play syndrome checking the flop and then small betting or checking the turn and then going nuts on the river. Feel free to give a specific hand number to verify how it was played (heh like that will ever happen).

Quitting is definitely the best choice for many of you. If saying it is because it is rigged makes you stick to that choice via rationalization then that is probably for the best.

When two players with pocket pairs see the flop, 1 out of 99 times they will both flop sets.

The KQ with A flopped here, will then runner runner his straight 1 out of 56 times given the known hole cards (so 8/43 to turn then 4/42 to river).

So the three way event will happen 1 out of (99x56) = 1/5544 given the hole card ranks you started with.

Not really all that long odds in poker, 1/5544 board events happens oh, about every 2 minutes or so on a high volume site.

So your point was...?

His scope would indicate he is a lot better than me. But I have played enough to know when I am outmatched and really he had a somewhat straightforward 2 plus 2 reader style which I find I can combat. But he had a lot of clear leaks that he and I were even discussing during the match. I mean I know which type of boards he is going to double barrel, I know when he is opening up his 3 betting, I know when he asked me if I "soul read" him when I called his all-in with A rag (correctly, he had JQ of course and won) that he reads this forum and probably takes all the strategy advice and strives to play in a way which would be stamped as "standard" by the mandarins here. The problem with that is if you strive to be "standard" you will be leveled by someone like me so I enjoy playing the thinking 2 plus 2 crowd. But nonetheless maybe he was better than me but I doubt it and if he was its not by much. The point is this guy had no downswings. Some small break even stretches but......just looking at a small sample of his "luck" just made me suspicious. Small sample size yes but if you walked into a factory, picked up a random widget from the assembly line and it was defective would you think "small sample size" or would you think "wtf?".

In the back of my mind I am pretty sure stars is not rigged. I mean why would they do that? But then you play and its like wow, KK is a net loser heads up in 50 trials? Did I play it wrong? Well yeah once or twice but still wtf? In live play I once had a stretch of running KK into AA 5 straight times and got a set just once (as per expectation-imagine that). Yet when I get dealt KK in a live setting I still expect to win, psychologically, intuitively. My brain is trained from experience. When I get KK at stars I start laughing because its like ok how will I lose this one? And then it happens and I'm not laughing anymore.

I am going to deposit at Cake this week if my research on it says its ok. I am not nearly ready to give up the dream of playing online instead of live, but for stars I have to say no mas. You win. I lose thousand dolllar pots all the time live and I say nice hand and rebuy knowing I am not going to tilt. Stars has me banging my armrests screaming "matherfacker" like KGB over 50 bucks because how many damn times in one day can someone get runner runner straight against your overpair, trips or set?

You guys remember David Williams loss to Farha in the heads up championship? Williams flops a boat Sammy rivers the nut boat and Williams says something about being cheated. Well imagine if that happened to you 5 times a day, day after day. It doesn't prove anything about stars, but I have enough doubt to move on and for the guys who think its rigged I am telling you it feels good to leave and I look forward to trying a different site.

play enough hands on a daily basis and it will. how you handle it is what determines your success.

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Because every organization that makes lots of money is corrupt, amirite?

Like the trash you just posted again. If you are going to throw about wild accusations of scams and conspiracies stop sitting on the fence and pretending you're not a rigatrd



Oh no, you're the voice of reason aren't you.