I take it from that line you arent familiar with probability. It cannot be truly random. It is practically infeasible for todays computer. You should go pick up a probabiltiy book that discusses pseudo rng's. It follows a pattern. Even in live play. It takes 7 shuffles in a live game to truly randomize the deck. Smart players take advantage of that information. http://books.google.com/books?id=Ua-...4#PRA2-PA52,M1

go to page 50 and start reading. It leaves some paes out but you should go to barnes and nobles and pick it up. Now you cannot blame sites for not producing something that is truly random. You are in essence, askign them to do the impossible. Now whether, the sites alter certain players accounts is a different story.

see? always an angle. if there's a buck to be made, whether from rigging the deals or selling books you can rest assured that the Lizard People are milkin' it for all it's worth!

Mark, the Lizard People made you a mod and the Lizard people can return you to the staus of mere mortal and punish you by beaming tk1133's brain noise directly into your cerebral cortex, thus turning you into mindless rigtard, the moment you remove yoru foil hat.

*sigh*
Pseudo RNGs haven't been used for poker in a long time, by any site. Hardware RNGs using entropy are the closest thing to randomness humans are capable of producing, and as you also alluded to, they are more reliably random than live dealing. Thus the online deal is more consistently fair than live dealing.

I think it's fair to say this has basically become a Bad Beat thread bumped by rigtards.

not that there's anything wrong with that...

but I like a little more flavor myself...

i dno if they use hardwares or not. How do you know? anyway i dont really care. I dont play poker anyomre esp online since I think it is a shady business and my results arent in line with expectation. And I wont just take your word for what sites use or not because in all honesty, when it comes down to it, we both dont know whats actually used. All you have is other peoples word. So, "sigh." You should not believe everything you are heard or told. Thats a suckers move. BUt i dont care at all really. Im pass poked and refuse to debate in its rigged theories whether true or not. I just dont care. I dont have money at stake in the business anymore so it really doesnt matter to me. I made my money, and I am gone in the wind. But i do give youprops. Whatever your motive is for defending these sites you sure do work hard at it. Good luck in life and stay up man. Be safe. Peace.

then why are you on 2+2, a poker forum, specifically in the area dedicated to ONLINE Poker?

Is it wrong that I kind of enjoy spade trying to be rational and present immense amounts of unbiased data only to be confronted by this type of thinking . For what it is worth, I am still curious to see your results when you crunch more numbers.

The more general embracing of Lizard people is another positive trend as well.

AKA: I'm not as good as I think I am.

i am really being a loser by responding. After this im done for good. I cant engage conversations with shills or w/e you are. I stopped playing for good an hour ago after I cashed my whole bankroll out. FYI I crunch numbers daily, probably more than youll ever crunch. I most likely win A LOT more than you do at poker. i am 7.67bb/100 over a 100k+ sample...w/o taking ANY of my poker bankroll out (before today). Anyway, if you think im lying put a price down and bet it. We can put the money in escrow. If not...be quiet. So lizard that haha. But anyway your most likely a break even/slight loser player who works for the sites to troll forums. Real players dont do this there to busy at the tables playing. Stop trying being the watchdog and play boss for a change. Your corny man. Stop hating all the time youd progress in life. and lol at presenting unbiased data because you would know. You guys make yoruself look stupid. I dont have to do anymore.

. I will not engage in conversations with shills or w/e you are. Your mostly likely a loser..not just in poker..but in life. I mean who does this? You better be getting paid for this lol. Im out though have a good life guys. Keep shilling.


IF ANYONE SAYS I AM NOT AS GOOD AS I THINK I AM(my winrate is not real) PUT A PRICE DOWN AND BET IT. PRIVATE MESSAGE ME AND WE WILL PUT MONEY IN ESCROW!! OTHERWISE, STFU!!!!

No, you are being a loser by not being able to play good poker.

And a shouty, bad tempered, loser at that!

So, you are an analytical number cruncher who claims to win poker at an insane rate who is quitting because it is rigged or something in mysterious, mystical ways.

Certainly no logic gaps in that story .

Also, no doubt you are telling the truth since no one ever uses the all caps double dare of "ILL BET ANYTHING IT"S TRUE" as a tactic...

You can check my stats i you like, and if you give me your screen name I can certainly check yours. Could be fun!



Bah, give me time to work on my drunkramblespeak. Not all of us are naturals.


Just give your screen names to prove it. Since you quit for good this should be easy to do. Of course we may ask you to show it is the names you give (maybe with hand histories showing your dealt cards and other simple ways to confirm etc).

The Lizard people shill union made me ask these questions by the way.

no i quit because i did a hypothesis test and had to come to reality that the hands i have been playing with..arent the expected hands i should be playing with. I won 5bb/100 in NL running 36 buyings below EV over the first 100k hands. Over the last 5 k hands(which i played in the last 2-3 days) i won a good deal of buy ins and now am only 23 buy ins below ev. But it still isnt in line with the acceptable level of expectation. You statistical ignorant monkey.

Look man, I am not trying to check screen names. That is stupid. I WANT TO BET. I WILL LAY YOU 1-1 ON a $20,000 pool. Or ANYONE for that matter. I dont want to check names thats kind of queer. I want to BET. I do beat it for an insane rate. I put more work in the game than you could probably imagine. I studied the game half a year before I even played as well as learned prob and stat before I ever put a real $ amount down in the game. With the expected bb/100 hands i should win 9.62. I run below expectation at every single stake I have ever played. I didnt want to come to reality but I'd be a sucker if I didnt.

I will give you the screen name as well as my HE manager database if you want to bet. Otherwise, its nothing to prove. Theres no financial incentive for me to just give you my s/n for fun. If your so about it dude just bet. I dont want to exchange names for free I want to bet. Please just bet or shut up. Call my bluff if you think I am lying and lose money quickly. Theres nothing really to talk about. Put..your..money..where your mouth is. We can put the $ in escrow and go from there. And I will collect.
I have absolutely no reason to lie. but i really do want to bet thats the only reason I came back to this forum is to see if anyone wants to put a price down. Ill start a business with your extra money. If not, then this is just pointless and you guys want to go back and forth and not put down a real wager.


So yes you wantt o bet or no you dont want to bet, 20k prize pool. 1-1 since your so confident. I should get even money for this.


look at this at anyone reading. They keep telling me how bad I am yet no one wants to put down money. I feel like an idiot arguing with you guys its pointless and i have other business things to do. But look, ill leave it at this, if you want to bet, then bet it. I am only as good as my winrate says. And it says I amn 7.67bb/100 winner. If you want to bet please do so you will be embarrased. If not peace man.

What I suggest you do is feed the results of your hypothesis test into the flux capacitor and rationalise the results in line with Heisenberg's Uncretainty Principle, possibly adjusting for general relativity effects if your speed warrants it.

Then tell us your screen names so that we can check them out and add them to the great rigtard's role of honour.

so you quit because you were winning a ton of money but not 2 tons... that will show em.

NO ONE WANTS TO BET lol. Look at this. I keep talking money you keep talking other nonsense. I am out man. Private message me if you want to bet. You dont want to. You want to be a little school girl in a skirt and not put money down. lol BET IT BET IT BET IT I need your money for my debt collection business. You'll be the undocumented shareholder. lol BET IT otherwise good riddens chump scrump. I wasted 5 mins of my life trying to get someone to bet and lose money. They just want to hide in corners and not put a real number down. TELL ME HOW MUCH YOU WANT TO BET AND ILL TELL YOU MY S.N AND PUT MY HE DATABASE ON HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! $$$$$$$

No you didnt

I'm pleased that you're good with numbers because words really aren't your forte.

Are you leaving the site and never speaking to the "shills" again or are you coming back to provide proof of how awesome your winrate is? Make your mind up. Your win rate is nonsense anyway if its rigged, right?

Why is it that every time I read one of your posts I get the impression that I am reading the overexcited outpourings of a hormonal adolescent who is impressing himself with his enormous bravado behind a keyboard?

and your efforts are not going unnoticed.

Since you are a stats guru, you should be happy and willing to share your database with other stats people for verification.

Don't worry, I am sure you will think of an emotional angry reason why you will not.

And please, Lizard Person - not monkey.



Yes, yes you are an immensly rich, macho dude. That is certainly a unique claim on the internet.

If you ever want to give your screen names and databases to actually back your claims then go for it. If you prefer to posture a lot more in a cliched manner that is ok also, as that is entertaining.





I don't think you are lying. I know you are lying . I do like your sticktoitness though in your very mundane internet tough guy posturing.

You may even believe what you are saying is real.

However, since you said you were done with this chat and were lured back in so easily (yeah, that was hard given your "stable" emotional state), all you have to do to put me in my place is share your data with someone like spade and give your screen name so we can start proving your results.

Boy, you sure would show me!





Heh. You lie for a very simple reason. You want to look like you are telling the truth when you are not. You then compond it by creating bigger and bigger lies and challenges and confrontations all to show you are not lying. This is even basic behavior for a psychology 101 class.

Much like you are likely a degenerate gambler, you are also a degenerate liar. Hell, you even lied about being done with this thread.

Anyway, if you ever want to actually provide proof and data let us know. No one expects you ever will .

If believing that no one will play along with a bluff wager from a random, rambling insane stranger on the internet for $20,000+ over an amusing yet trivial manner makes you feel special, then keep at that as well. In fact, I encourage it as it is amusing to watch.

All the best.


They will be ready for the next stage in 4.7 years.

SSASPPASSSDSDS <--------- secret code

TO ANYONE READING THIS THREAD NOTICE HOW EVERYONE BERATES ME BUT WILL NOT HAVE THE HEART TO PUT DOWN A DOLLAR AMOUNT! BET IT! PLEASE!

I dont know what else to say or do i mean. I mean just bet, I will give you my s/n, put my personal database on here, you can email stars and verify everything.


I dont need to lie. I will let the money do the talking for me. This is getting out of hand and I am getting so mad because there is nothing that pisses me off more than when ppl talk garbage but yet wont put any money behind their irrational statements. Its bewildering. Just bet anyone. We will go to escrow. If you are so confident I am lying bet it. Just bet. Bet everything or anything. Bet i didnt take out my whoel bankroll an hour-1.5 hours ago. Bet i havent won 7.67bb/100 over 102,114 hands playing NL(the only game i play). Bet that starts can verify this for you. bet anything. I mean look at this monkey behavior. Everyone wants to come at me but when yout alk money and proof its a different story. I dont care about showing you my database. It is pointless to show it to you for free. But for a small fee, I will.

I am done. You guys want to just argue and put no money down. So sick.

pretty hard not to notice, but I guess the caps lock might help the more brain-dead (aka "Rigtards") catch it a little faster.
classic. i'm sure that's in the Rigtard 101 bag o' tricks. if it's not, it should be.

How old are you?

Twelve?
Fifteen?

Surely no older than that?

Just give us your screen name. That gives you only the tiniest bit of credibility bu infinitely more than coming on here waving your willie around and talking about $20,000 bets when we can be pretty certain that your daddy doesn't give you more than $5 a week pocket money.

We know.

It's just a hobby for you, isn't it?

LOL, we'll see.

You know, being the man I am, I will say this. I acted out of character by some of my language. I dont need to type in all big letters to get my point across. Anyone who knows me personally knows one of the things that aggravates me is when people claim i am lying yet wont put any money down when I challenge them. ITo me it just shows me your a coward. I mean thats just my opinion.I get anxious at the site of making money at another mans stupidity. It makes me wild and rowdy. I need to work on that. But anyway, thats not my style and I dont act like that. I actually wasted an hour+ on this forum today thinking I can get paid by someone taking up my bet. But I have to rememebr I am dealing with cowards. And cowards never act when they are called out too. They hide behind words.

I have to get that off my chest. But I will say this to anyone reading this and thinking I am lying. Bet it. Plain and simple. Good day all.

idk if you're a winning player or not. just that if you're a winning player quitting is pretty dumb, complaining that it is rigged maybe, but why quit dont you like money?