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04-24-2009 , 06:40 PM

#2751

otatop

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Originally Posted by spadebidder

You're looking in the wrong place. Go to the regulatory bodies, as I've pointed you to above.

But who regulates the regulators!?!!

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04-24-2009 , 07:03 PM

#2752

hitman4hire

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Still not right now....Running joke on the site= ITS BOSS MEDIA!!!!! wont even go into details as what i think of this site....

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04-24-2009 , 07:07 PM

#2753

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Originally Posted by otatop

Yes, no one would ever look at their database of 1,000,000 hands and say "Gee, I'm losing a little more often than I should."

If the sites were rigged like this, we would have known from leatherass.

1 000 000 is not even close enough. If the slower rate of win is changed over time. Like for some time AA and overpairs loses more often. After that, TPTK, after that sets, then they can change the RNG relatively to less focused hands, like bottom pairs, middle pairs, and all the donkish played hands (by two donks). Beyond that they can let the RNG work normally for some time. I think these measures would be your 1 000 000 database useless, mainly because you wouldnt even know which hands you should look for some abnormal variance.

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04-24-2009 , 07:11 PM

#2754

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Originally Posted by spadebidder

You'll find all the details you are seeking here. Look particularly at the regulations pertaining to "Control Systems".

PokErasmus - A lot of the kind of the information you are looking for is in these documents:

http://www.gamblingcontrol.org/userfiles/file/85.pdf

http://www.gamblingcontrol.org/userfiles/file/81.pdf

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04-24-2009 , 07:14 PM

#2755

tangled

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And you call the other online-poker-is-rigged threads "crazy"???? You have just started a retroactive online-poker-is-rigged thread. LOL.

Go away

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04-24-2009 , 07:16 PM

#2756

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The problem is that the gambling software business process and implementation wise are relatively simple systems. A graduate software engineer would be able to come up with an intermediate software component in a relatively short time that sits between the RNG server component and the user interface component to deliver a modified flop, turn and river based on the analysis of users’ history, spending, gaming skill in order to increase the operator’s revenue.

!00% can be done.Problem here Pokerasmus people to dumb to realize how meny ways they can be parted with there money and not know or comprehend how this can be done.Thats the sad irony of this thread.

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04-24-2009 , 07:19 PM

#2757

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Irony ITT!

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04-24-2009 , 07:23 PM

#2758

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Another insightfull post from the shill crew QPW/SPACEBIDDER/MONTERY/KINGOFFELT.

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04-24-2009 , 07:25 PM

#2759

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Another insightfull (sic) post from the really smart crew QPW/SPADEBIDDER/MONTERY/KINGOFFELT.

fyp
and you forgot mark

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04-24-2009 , 07:25 PM

#2760

hitman4hire

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Originally Posted by tangled

And you call the other online-poker-is-rigged threads "crazy"???? You have just started a retroactive online-poker-is-rigged thread. LOL.

Go away

Not just a new thing then......

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04-24-2009 , 07:32 PM

#2761

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As per usaual your minds cannot grasp certain concepts and thinking so warp them to fit your own concepts and thinking.Or as in primates u just want to fit in to the group and be accepted..The later i think.

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04-24-2009 , 07:34 PM

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All I´m saying is that from time to time the sites change their RNG so the money stays more time in the tables and they win more by rake. Why wouldnt they do that if its almost impossible to detect? I´m not losing money, Im winning by the way, so dont give me that "so stop playing online" crap.

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04-24-2009 , 07:37 PM

#2763

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Originally Posted by tangled

And you call the other online-poker-is-rigged threads "crazy"???? You have just started a retroactive online-poker-is-rigged thread. LOL.

Go away

give us HH's or, yes, go away.

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04-24-2009 , 07:37 PM

#2764

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You shut up. You dont have a clue of what your talking about.

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04-24-2009 , 07:48 PM

#2765

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Originally Posted by hitman4hire

Projection ITT.

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This would be ridiculously expensive from a technological point of view. Let's say there are 30,000 real money players (cash and tourney). Somehow Stars has to track each one of these players and their style of play, then adjust cards on the fly to make sure the worse player wins so they stick around. The second part is easy enough, assuming that the "good" player is actually a good player, but the first part would be insanely expensive, to the point where the rigging would have to become more obvious to be able to pay for it.

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04-24-2009 , 07:57 PM

#2766

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Originally Posted by otatop

Projection ITT.

This would be ridiculously expensive from a technological point of view. Let's say there are 30,000 real money players (cash and tourney). Somehow Stars has to track each one of these players and their style of play, then adjust cards on the fly to make sure the worse player wins so they stick around. The second part is easy enough, assuming that the "good" player is actually a good player, but the first part would be insanely expensive, to the point where the rigging would have to become more obvious to be able to pay for it.

I´m not talking about good players or bad players but better hands and worse hands. Obviously hands that go to showdown. The site dont have any interest in know who play best or worse, the site wants to keep the money in the table more time than usual to win more rake than usual. The only way to make this is having better hands winning less often then expected at the showdown in an all in situation at any point of the play, pre flop, flop or turn.

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04-24-2009 , 07:59 PM

#2767

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Also, as has been discussed many times, to conceal this statistically they have to play an infinite game of musical chairs to give the cards to someone that they took from someone else, or vice versa (according to the massive profiling database referred to). This becomes logistically impossible in short order, hence rigging is always going to be detectable.

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04-24-2009 , 07:59 PM

#2768

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Originally Posted by Username^^

You shut up. You dont have a clue of what your talking about.

I assume I used an argument that way up your intelligence, if we were live probably you would punch me. Thats fine.

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04-24-2009 , 07:59 PM

#2769

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Its is not becouse its expencive or not. This would be easier to acomplish than you think. But that guy simply has no clue of what he is talking about. I doubt he even know what the RNG is.

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04-24-2009 , 08:03 PM

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I assume I used an argument that way up your intelligence, if we were live probably you would punch me. Thats fine.

1. google.com - RNG
2. when you figure out what the rng is, think abit about how can you rig it.

Its just pure nonsense, i told so becouse you camed here with such statement without knowing what you are talking about. I camed here defending people who says that online poker is rigged, but there are some people who cant be defended. Like you.

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04-24-2009 , 08:07 PM

#2771

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Ok, you cant rig the RNG because it wouldnt be a RNG anymore, so to be more exact you could stop the RNG from time to time to make better hands to lose more often than expected, so the site wins more rake. Obviously in showdown hands in all in situations at pre flop, flop or turn.

My argument is flawless!!!

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04-24-2009 , 08:12 PM

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Why would they stop RNG ???? Before numbers gets converted into hands, they go throu several components. Those componets are the ones who has to be rigged not RNG. RNG is just RNG. Machine whitch generates numbers, there are planty of other factors that determines the final outcome. Anyway, have fun.

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04-24-2009 , 08:13 PM

#2773

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Originally Posted by hitman4hire

!00% can be done.Problem here Pokerasmus people to dumb to realize how meny ways they can be parted with there money and not know or comprehend how this can be done.Thats the sad irony of this thread.

Spelling and grammatical mistakes ITT!

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04-24-2009 , 08:15 PM

#2774

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Spelling and grammatical mistakes ITT!

I see at least 4 more you missed in that paragraph.

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04-24-2009 , 08:17 PM

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ok, now that i started to post. Can anyone explain me how a machine witch generates numbers non stop can have 13 diferent cards with 4 diferent suites as an outcome if it has to ship them into more than one table ?

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