You missed the point entirely. Taking such action would net FTP absolutely nothing, while simultaneously destroying its reputation. Your suggestion was completely absurd.

I guess "survival" is a relative term then. This is a terrible analogy. If the object of FTP is go from the #2 site in the world to a low-trafficked, nefarious room, and thus, "survive", then I suppose you are right.

I'm not sure about the details, but I have heard that 6 months = stale by most standards. I have deposited many 3-4 month old checks (non-poker) without issue.

Never, ever, ever would happen. As long as Full Tilt keeps offering the 2nd largest guarantees on the internet, and maintaining the second highest traffic, no one will give a ****. "Low-trafficked nefarious room?" ****ing ha.

#3 site: "Ultimate Bet. Where some opponents, who aren't nearly as stupid about it as the ones we caught, can easily probably see your cards."

Full Tilt: "Where, if you cheat us out of money, you risk having us expose your identity." Wow, they stress following the rules. What *******s!

If you think that all gamblers are like yourself, and apply logic to bankroll management and online poker, you just don't know **** about human beings and their propensity to gamble.

In the run-up to BF, it was getting harder and harder to withdraw from PokerStars OR Full Tilt, and yet traffic kept going up on both sites. It makes no logical sense.... but it's not about logic. People like to gamble. Most of them lose, so they don't give a **** about withdrawing. They don't give a **** about the integrity of the site. They just want to play.

Why the **** are people still playing now? Why are they still depositing? Because they cannot stop. They never can stop. That's what kept the business running after the UIGEA, and that's what's going to keep it going now.

Seriously though, I'm not going to convince you of anything, but that's the way it is. It's not about reputation. It's human nature. As long as these sites exist, people will play on them, especially if the only people who are rooted out are the ones who've actively defrauded them.

Do you have something you'd like to share with the group?

The only issue here is whether or not they will make optimal business decisions going forward. There is no conceivable reason why FTP would act as you have suggested, and coming up with these lame assertions that "it wouldn't matter anyway" isn't helping your argument.

There is a reason your argument devolves to this.

Let me sum up the argument: FTP should publicize the private information and identities of users – an action which they will make no financial gain from – and they should do it because they will survive anyway.

Brilliant stuff, really.

LOL. My argument isn't that FTP _should_ do anything. My argument is that FTP _can_ do anything - or at least a lot more than you seem to give them credit for - and still keep their business.

Like I said, I'm not going to be able to convince you of anything, obviously, because you think this is business; it's really, really not. It's gambling, and people will never stop gambling - that's why a dozen billion-dollar hotels are parked in the middle of the Nevada desert.

Insinuating that the hypothetical possibility of FT ratting out people who owe them money would make even a _fraction_ of a dent in their business, much less relegate them to a "low-trafficked, nefarious room?" indicates just a flat-out lack of understanding as to how people function.

Okay. I can't keep responding to this. You are just simply repeating strawman after strawman to draw attention from the fact that your OP was completely inane. You win?

I'm positive - it was around the end of April/beginning of May.

n0nplussed, tell me what I should have done.

I made deposits of $600 in October and January for a total of $1200, that never cleared my bank. In March, I sent numerous emails and received ZERO help on the situation. I asked numerous times when the money was going to be taken out, and never got an email that gave any advice other than to just wait. Then FTP started having rogue processors taking money out of user's bank accounts that were unrelated to actual deposits. FTP responded to any emails regarding it saying that they weren't responsible for it, and to contact the processor.

At this point I no longer wanted my account open to have unauthorized withdrawals from my account (which wouldn't have gone towards my balance owed since FTP wasn't taking responsibility for the charges). I did the smart thing and closed my account. When I closed the checking account I notified FTP, and I didn't receive any reply other than I would hear something back in 24-48 hours.

Yes I feel terrible for the players that are owed money, but I attempted to resolve the issue and pay the money, but FTP simply showed zero interest in collecting.

And this was from Full Tilt and you live in the U.S.A.?

Anybody else have this happen or hear about it?

Not made the second deposit obviously. January came and you had made a deposit a few months back that still hadn't cleared. So you go ahead and make another one? Just a hassle I personally wouldn't want to deal with. I wouldn't try to make another deposit until the first one completely went through. Just like I wouldn't try to make a withdrawal if I already had one that was stuck in limbo.

The blame isn't really on you though, more on FT for allowing people to do this.

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EDIT: permafrost post was from this thread http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...2&postcount=12

Looks like FTP really did have problems with player deposits, according to the Franzen guilty Ple it was 60 million.

Their fault for letting people deposit knowing the money was unable to get.

Now I see why they invented multi entries and had the double/triple gtd weeks rigth before this happened. They saw it coming Im sure.

What were they thinking? They were definately hoping that draw would come in. What draw? Leaderer and Ferguson at the PPA pushing for legality. I think we are all hoping for the K to hit if we are ever gonna see our money. Not looking good.

Or they justed wanted that 60 millions back.

So what's the current advice then?

I've changed banks because my old bank was too slap happy with their fees and had awful service, but I've kept one account open with $300 in it to cover my ft deposits since December. Trick is..every month I have to add money to cover the $8 service charge, and hope this is the month ft clears the deposits so I can close this terrible bank's account for good...

Thought or suggestions?

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LOL. Honestly??? Just close the account. FTPs business in the USA is finished. Consider yourself $300 richer and go to a nice steak dinner.

I have about 80 transactions that haven't gone through to my bank account, dating back to November 13th 2010. It's like $8,000 and although I have the money in my checking account to cover it I recently got a new job in another state and need to close that checking account because it is a local bank in the town I live in now. Should I just wait for Full Tilt to get back to me, I e-mail them a month ago and haven't heard anything from them, or should I just close the account and wait to see if they contact me in the future?

dude your lucky!. you had an 8k freeroll. Were you able to withdrawal any winnings?

Been a while since I checked out this thread. Its a shame but I have to admit I went on a tear when dumbasses where depositing fake money and dumping it in my lap on $25/$50 Omaha high. It was a beautiful thing. I paid off a ton of school loan debt and bought a new truck in the matter of 2 months.

Too bad we couldn't do it again.

Just curious, but I don't understand how you actually were able to cash out the "fake" money. From what others have posted in other threads, people began to have cashout issues in late February. So I presume you cashed well before BF?

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