This is quite normal of late.

Yes, I identified the "unknown common bond" as shark-through-the-roof unlikely, only for the sake of covering the logical holes.

Unless of course you do study Karate with my 12 year old....

The total of $150 was deposited and cleared from my bank account. On TOP of that I had the $200 transaction taken out that I didnt initiate. Now I have to pay $250 to my bank to avoid any more fees. I only had a balance of roughly $30 when they withdrew the $200 causing the overdraft.

Play at my own risk? Screw that, I'll gladly sell my soul and rat those ****s out if push comes to shove.

stfu, the UIGEA isn't directed at players.

Would require them to have accessed many different banks' records OR 1 company's (guess who), now which one is nearly INFINITELY more likely?

Again, this is bad, but it doesn't seem like PMI.

Start with the Full Tilt Cashier.

Right, it's directed at player's money.

I'd like to hop in. I don't post much here, but I need to share my story.

I opened a checking account last June just for FTP transactions. I wanted to keep my roll in a separate account, and work my poker transactions separate from my normal banking.

The only transactions on this checking account are the vast number of wierd descriptors used over the last 9 months or so, but recently PMI did take money out of my account for the same amount from a recent transaction. ($500.00)

For people who want proof that has to do with FTP, I am your proof. I have only used this specific checking account (BOA) for only FTP transactions and PMI ****ed me to.

I have already contacted my bank and initiated a chargeback (r10) so I am not that worried about it as I have already gotten the money back.

subscribing, hope this is dealt with.

thanks palimax.

Ok, FT reps (assuming poster is telling the truth, very likely) then here is the proof that your canned denials of any responsibility in any way belongs to Full Tilt is, quite simply, ridiculous. THIS NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED NOW.

the only reason I brought it up was because of this link...

http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-888-875-8035/2

Not every person that has posted in here said they deposited on FTP. One person said the amount stolen from them was 292.18 or something. FTP doesn't accept cents. I don't think FTP depositors are the sole victims here. FTP players certainly make up some or even most of the victims but definately not ALL of them. Not trying to stick up for FTP, I think they need to get to the bottom of this like yesterday.

I mean I would even be willing to send in the statements from the last 6 months or so. My info blacked out of course......

Good for you sls... We as a poker community need to keep up the pressure on FT and make them own their problems just like the community did in the Superuser Scandal.

To the mods... this seriously deserves a sticky at this point, not that I think it will fall off the front page anytime soon, but still....

It's quite likely that "PMI" (and I quote that for reason) has other clients, and are robbing them as well.

...but the rate of Full Tilt customers means that they either got our information from Full Tilt one way or the other -- or that we share some other secret common bond that none of us have discovered.

What hasn't been mentioned is that the descriptor on the payment could show up as anything that "PMI" wants it to. We're lucky they put their 888 number on the first wave of charges. They could have easily had it say, "Transaction Processing" or "Go Screw, Suckers."

Obviously they like PMI as a name, perhaps because it's their business name, perhaps because it confuses homeowners into thinking it's a legitimate mortgage transaction.

So, yes, PMI is likely ripping off Full Tilt customers and someone else.

...but they're clearly ripping off Full Tilt Poker customers.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is the one we've been looking for. Please provide what you can. PS. If you need any images or documents hosted (after cleaning any non-PMI information), please let me know, I've got piles of unused domains and hosting space.

Added: I PM'd FTPSean about this, providing a link to the direct thread. This is, as they say, the smoking gun.

Yes, they DO accept cents.

Stop spouting nonsense in the thread please.

ftp is running a joker of an operation lately

I'm actually quite suprised at how quiet this is being kept ATM. I would have thought more of the major poker news outlets would have picked up on this.

Although I am not affected, Full Tilt's immediate denial of all responsibility is pretty astounding and worrying.

Good luck to all you guys affected. I hope it gets sorted swiftly.

Dude, this is a rigologist that bet 1:10 on Stars being proven rigged within the next 5 years, and he paid his takers in advance. So many lined up he had to stop giving action. You'll have to excuse him - nonsense is a way of life. He can't just turn it off.

AMEC0404 in da house!

i guess FTPSeans BS response is all we are going to get. I can imagine how long it took FTP executives to get that response together. If FTP has nothing to hide then why did FTPSean sign off so fast? Why not stay and answer our questions?

Perhaps because he's actually researching the issue before returning?

This has been going on for 3+ months. It sucks that it took them that long to act on it, and they deserve anything bad you might have to say about this, but FTPSean's only been on the case for 12 hours now - give him a break.

We'll hang him after he comes back and says, "Not us."

because hes obviously sososos busy working on his other roles at FTP! Like uhhh...ummm...uhhh....you know... uhh...

lol

oh okay, lmao. Thanks magent.

You deserve a lot (if not most) of the credit for helping push this issue to the forefront Pali, but c'mon, you think FTPSean's only known about this for 12 hours? This thing has been known for weeks now, admittedly it's only getting the proper attention now but they've known. Nope, no slack for that canned POS post earlier and ducking out before he could be questioned. I'm betting he had a bunch of PMs too, anyone get a PM response from him today (especially on THIS issue)?