Full tilt poker is stealing from its customers? I know its the processor, but I mean, its THEIR processor lol.

Wow. Never thought id see that.

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that should help as the people who work for ftp wont even reply lol.

maybe once this thread gets to the top of google it will inspire them.

Cross-posting this from another poker forum:

Apparently, only some of us have matching dollar-for-dollar transactions. I know I do. I know a few of the others do. I know a few that can't seem to match theirs up.

...but the odds that we all just happen to have been randomly hit by some scammer that has nothing to do with an FTP?

Here's an excerpt from what I just said elsewhere:

Full Tilt is what binds us together. We're the top search for the PMI phone number in this thread -- why aren't we being bombarded by hundreds of people who never played poker saying they got scammed?

You get one guess.

PMI Transaction Full Tilt Poker PMI Transaction Full Tilt Poker

PMI Transaction Full Tilt Poker PMI Transaction Full Tilt Poker

PMI Transaction Full Tilt Poker PMI Transaction Full Tilt Poker

PMI Transaction Full Tilt Poker PMI Transaction Full Tilt Poker

hopefully people getting rickrolled by fulltilt and their processors get to find this thread

no its not.

The UIGEA is a law restricting the actions of banks.

The intent of the law is to stop financial transactions from financial institutions to online gambling sites. Everyone knows what the government's intent is on this law...it does not want money to go out of country to foreign gambling sites. Full Tilt knows this, the processors know this, and the US poker player knows this. That more processors have not gone rouge and plucked from us bank accounts before this is surprising. No one has a moral high ground on this because all have conspired to circumvent the law.

Do I feel bad for those whose money is stolen? Yes Should they get it back...yes. Full tilt should not be on the hook because we are all adults and know that we are all a party to circumventing the law...

question:

I have never deposited money into FTP. I play there, but simply created an account and got a real money transfer from a friend who was already on FTP.

I have cashed out before, but every time I have simply used the 'check' option, not bank transfers.

Is there anyway this could have happened to me, or have I effectively shielded myself and my bank account from FTP?

So, either:

1. PMI obtained data from third party processor that Full Tilt contracts with;
2. PMI was contracted by Full Tilt as a third party processor;
3. Full Tilt's data was breached

All of which are potential cluster****s. Sean, your answer still doesn't speak to what happened. It seems at this point to be either #1 or #3, and clearly FTP would know the answer by now.

If PMI obtained depositor info from a rogue processor, Full Tilt should be able to track which processor leaked this info through transaction histories (definitely, if a relatively low volume of transactions; probably, if very high volume). If, on the other hand, Full Tilt's security was breached, they need to be up front with customers about it, NOW, so that it can be determined whose information was breached -- and so we can decide what action we will take.

More possibilities than this...what if the payment processor was a spinoff company from full tilt. What if this was done with knowledge of the payment processor and full tilt? Payment processor gets away with what it can...when people start to notice...poof they go away. Full tilt spins another payment processor and it keeps on going.

FTP is the biggest winner from the UIGEA. FT was nothing before the UIGEA was passed. It was not even a top 10 network at the time. Stars I would trust...this company who makes you beg for answers...takes their sweet time in answering, and really has no accountability is scary.

I for one would welcome legislation and the US market being opened back up

I find this highly unlikely. A company like Full Tilt isn't going to do this type of **** for the chump change that is being taken.

They're long-term business revolves around getting licensed to operate in the US. Regulators already view them as a rogue company. Given the small amount of money involved (like 10% or less of individual processer seizures that have occured) they are going to end up paying out.

Players might also want to contact TE and Skall at the PPA or their PPA state directors.

This. I started playing on your site at the beginning of 2008 and never had any problems. Some time late last year I noticed more issues going on with FTP and was royally irritated with the whole BC promo roll out that was done at the same time you changed your rake structure. Now, the first one third of this year is just lol bad.

Everyone in your customer service dept. seems to have 2 brain cells that are fighting and now this issue where you won't give any useful information to your customers. Unfortunately for FTP, all of this seems to be occurring near the time when the US market will hopefully get regulated and legalized.

I agree that these are the three solutions that don't involve unicorns or some other sort of magic.

All of which are bad, especially since, no matter what, FTP LIES TO US, and says that they don't share our data with any third parties -- which, of course, they have to, since they rely on an army of other companies to process their transactions for them.

Ultimately, FTP is responsible for the safety of my banking information. They make promises regarding its security.

They can't keep their promises.

I suppose there's still a highly unlikely option four, that everyone impacted by this also just happens to have another common tie. Perhaps you all go to my son's karate studio!

Isn't it possible that PMI is using FTP deposits as a cover? Maybe they hacked into the victim's computers/back accounts, and are now debiting their accounts with amounts equal to past FTP deposits.

I doubt this is the case, but isn't it possible?

I(Berto_1927) got hit on 3/31 for $200 and incurred an overdraft fee of $35.

Has anyone tried reporting this to Bank of America?

The deposit does not appear on my history tab in my cashier as well.

Also on my statement it does not appear as PMI.

Weird that you would have never deposited there and got a transfer from a friend... because one of the stips about transferring is "both users must have a successful deposit history"

You can transfer to people fine without them having cashed in. ...cashouts are another story.

Who does it appear as?

Possible? Define "possible." I could possibly be killed by a shark falling though my roof here in Arizona, but it's much, much more likely if I'm in the ocean.

The most likely scenarios are:

• PMI is or was either a direct business partner of Full Tilt Poker, either DBA as themselves or another alias.
• PMI is or was an indirect business partner (e.g. a 4th party provider) for Full Tilt Poker. FTP contracted a processor, and that processor sub-contracted with PMI.

Much less likely, but still not in shark-through-the-roof possibility is:

• PMI is entirely, 100%, a scam operation, has never processed legitimate transactions or worked with a legitimate processor, and they stole data from Full Tilt Poker or one of it's business partners.

And, possible, but in shark-through-roof possibility is:

• There is a still-secret unknown bond that we all share. We, only poker players, only Full Tilt Poker customers, were hit by a scam operation that targeted us though a means unrelated to Full Tilt Poker in any way. We all have a completely undetectable, untraceable virus that only hit us, or we all share some other common bond that isn't playing on Full Tilt Poker, and we just haven't figured out what it is.

03/31/2011 Ftilt DES:FTPayments ID:19***49 CO ID:1000

Does having Quick Deposit on increase your chances of getting hit? I had it on...

If your claim about civil action comes from UIGEA Sec. 5365, they can't institute a proceeding "against any financial transaction provider".

That seems like a normal transaction catching up with you, not a PMI related charge -- make sure that you don't have an outstanding payment of some sort (an old transaction they're slow to process because of UIGEA issues) and then contact the Full Tilt cashier.

Plenty of people having old transactions catching up with them by legitimate means, and yours looks like one of them -- on the surface, to me, anyway.

eh, take a look at that 800 notes link i posted. This is a non-poker related website and everyone on there has FTP as well

Well I noticed my two past transactions were $100 and $50 and they didnt clear through my BoA account right away. It took days for the money to be cleared from my account. The money was on my FT account instantly though.