We should stop posting in this thread, its useless, direct your posts to the DOJ and the Alderney gambling comission, I've finally filed an official complaint with Alderney, asking for an exception and for my withdrawal, worth a shot. Had to send an official complaint to Full Tilt first, no response (shocker) the Alderney allowed me to open complaint, there are real people there who respond to emails within 24 hours.

Telephone: + 44 (0)1481 825500
Fax: + 44 (0)1481 823978
Email: info@agcc.gg

Good luck with the licensing authority, but pretty sure the response people would get from the DOJ would make FTP's customer support look almost competent in comparison.

WTF is the DOJ going to tell you? "We have not and will not seize any individual player accounts. FTP is and has always been free to pay you back, and we encourage them to do so. Any money you may have had on the site will have to be reclaimed from the site."

There, I just responded for you on behalf of the DOJ.

Thanks for the kind words and great advice, 6,425 posts, you are a true representative of 2+2. I merely stated what I was doing, and hopefully i get my money, the worst that happens is I'm ignored, or don't get paid. You haven't even tried, and all you can do is hurl negative comments to a newcomer to the site. I heard its pretty bad here, guess they were all correct. good day sgt, hope I never hear from you again, sadly that wont be true, as you have over 6k posts, so Im sure you will respond again, attacking this message as well, feel free, as you won't get another response from me.

How did I attack you or "hurl negative comments" at you? I specifically wished you good luck with the licensing authority, then merely pointed out that I don't think contacting the DOJ would do any good, they aren't going to give US players any money and their response would be that they never took any money.

But hey, if that offended you in some way, perhaps it's best you leave the forums. When someone really attacks you, you're going to **** yourself or something.

uhhh what is this? he just informed you that you wasted your time, because you did...that's not attacking you. the worst that happens is that you are ignored, which is ~100% likely...which means what actually happened is you wasted a bunch of your time. most people prefer not to waste time.

you are being naive and overly sensitive.

Scrappydog,

I surmise SGTRJ didn't intend to belittle or mock you in any way. He was simply expressing his personal vantage point. SGTRJ has always conducted himself in a professional manner; demonstrating tact and sound judgment.

Whilst some posters do have a tendency to act condescendingly, especially to inexperienced or 'new' posters, I don't think SGTRJ fits that bill. I've been attacked and insulted myriad times as a 'newbie' and I just don't give a damn. These haughty high-minded regs (or anybody for that matter) cannot disturb you; only you can upset yourself. Stick around and eventually you might extract some utility from this site. Thanks for your contribution.


Jeff Oneye 'Don't piss in the well that quenches your thirst'

Just tell me which frozen account my money is in, so I can file a claim for it. (tick tock)

SGT RJ is a girl if Im not mistaken?

Correct, but I usually don't bother to point this out every time; easy mistake to make, given SN and % of females on the site total.

Guess the Spock avatar probably doesn't help either.

I could tell cause you talk a lot. :-)

Sure, but the quantum of evidence is quite low. It's not like DOJ had to prove in an adversarial proceeding that the funds they were asking to have seized were FTP funds; they simply had to give the judge "reason to suspect," that the funds were FTP funds.

The court order wouldn't apply to player funds that the DOJ chose to tell the court were player funds.

The sites could very well have kept player funds segregated in accounts titled to "Pocket Kings." Such accounts would have been segregated player funds IN FACT, but would appear to an outside observer, such as a judge being fed carefully controlled information by the DOJ in a hearing FT did not know was happening and was not represented at to tell its side of the story, to be Pocket Kings' funds. This, in fact, is probably exactly what happened, as FTP told us back in 2008 that funds were segregated but not in trust accounts.

Do you honestly believe they weren't comingled before BF?

I know this is an opinion issue only - as of yet, I have seen no proof in any thread of when, exactly, they changed from segregated but not protected to comingled status.

My personal opinion, however, is that they started comingling before BF - otherwise, how would they have been able to continue floating millions of dollars in loans to US players when they couldn't withdraw the money from US player bank accounts? In order to maintain bank balances (if player funds were still segregated), they would have had to transfer operating money into the player fund accounts. I just can't see FTP doing something like that for the players.

This is addressed to Mr. Spock above. I thought I made it pretty clear that I am not interested in your sarcastic non helpful posts. You have now ridiculed another one of my posts. Why? people on here are saying that you are a respected member, in fact you've made 25 posts since you insulted me the first time. This is what I am referring to as the other thread has been closed, I'm sure due to non helpful sarcastic remarks like this one.

"My God, OP, you're a genius! No one has thought to call and ASK any of the FTP pros what's going on!

I assume we will all have the answers tomorrow, and 2+2 will award you a commendation for services to the community."

I merely posted an idea that I am sure could easily be done, and to hopefully pressure Mr. Muny to be more forthcoming, as I would think he actually has this information already. If all you are going to do is sit there and think of sarcastic comments to leave, then why post at all? Your not being helpful, or contributing to the community with remarks like this. I seriously can not believe the lack of common courtesy here on these forums, everything I have heard of 2+2 is correct and then some.

Drop the useless sarcasm, I'm done with this site, as nothing can be accomplished here among the low level thinking of people who never leave there computer and make useless posts all day, enjoy your life Mr. Spock

Why are people still complaining if they can jsut move to canada and unlock their FTP balance?

Or, and this is just an alternate theory, your thread was closed because you put no more than .05 seconds in before you posted it:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...truth-1052913/

But I admit my response in your thread was useless. It's pretty hard to make a useful response to a completely misguided OP.

Getting all butthurt at me isn't going to change a thing. My first post to you in this thread was not disrespectful in any way. My comment in the attached thread was blatantly sarcastic, but guess what? Your thread was ******ed and ******ed threads get lambasted in a desperate but ultimately futile attempt to prevent more ******ed threads from being generated because people like you decide that you were right all along, and the multiple people telling you that you are wrong are all big meanies.

Honestly, if you intend to remain in this forum you have a couple of options:

1) develop thicker skin
2) put about 90% of the people here on ignore

It's up to you. I admit that my post in your poorly thought out thread was sarcastic. And I would do it again in a heartbeat.

Well, obviously this is a cost benefit type question. If they don't have enough money on there to make the expense of relocating worth it, they are forced to sit tight.

If they do, they probably will eventually, but my understanding is that it's taking a while, even once they do move, to get approval from FTP. Some people post that they get up and running quickly, while others spend weeks grappling with FTPs notorious customer "support".

* Strange PS segregated accounts were not frozen. Somehow they didn't have this case of mistaken identity which has struck FTP.
* Even stranger that FTP changed their policy on how player funds are stored from segregated to co-mingled.

* Lastly IF there were really segregated accounts containing only player funds on BF then while FTP wasn't present in the original motion they could file one now. FTP would simply need to show the court that the account in question doesn't contain FTP assets and thus the court order (to freeze and secure FTP assets) was illegally being applied to this account.

FTP has made no such motions, nor have they advised players they are working on any such motions thus it is dubious at best to think FTP segregated players funds.

While they may have in 2008 (which I don't think anyone disputes) at some point they stopped segregating funds. What I find utterly dishonest while they may a BIG CLAIM about how player funds were safe because they were segregated in 2008 (which the implied message is unsegregated accounts are not safe) when they switched player funds to a method they KNEW was riskier for players they did it without advising the players.

I don't care if they have no legal requirement to do so that is crap. A completely morally bankrupt bottom feeder company. I hope FTP survives just long enough to repay players before ceasing to exist. IF there is any God then it will cripple the owners financially for a very very long time.

I'm no FTP fan, but PS accounts were segregated and protected, and apparently pretty much always have been, both before their current license and after (as required by their current license). It wasn't a case of mistaken identity, the player funds have never been treated the same.

FTP did not violate any laws or rules by not segregating and protecting their player funds. From a business standpoint, it would have made less sense to completely protect player funds if the online poker environment had been stable and legislated, since the site could use the funds to generate more income. Obviously it's easy to say in hindsight that the market was too volatile to take this risk, but if BF had not occurred, there's no reason to think that FTP wouldn't have continued to process cashouts normally. The combination of frozen funds (including, I believe, player funds) and loss of revenue (along with accounting irregularities - floated and limbo funds) has created a severe liquid asset issue for FTP.

I've seen some people post that they think PS player funds were actually frozen, but AFAIK there's no proof of that, nor do I personally believe it to be true - I think PS paid US players from the segregated and protected player fund accounts.

Yeh. Clearly she started off wanting to be gender incognito. Handle -> tough army dude: avatar->beloved, smart, tough but unthreatening dude. Both members of organized, male dominated institutions. Then throw in posts with words like "masturbate" and lots of '*'s and she's created her cover. But now, after more than 6500 posts (maybe 7000 by the time I finish this one!), the need to fess up and post yet again proves irresistible. Maybe now she could the community a favor and take an extended furlough.

+1

Yesss! Another weakling bites the dust! Now if I could just find where he plays, the proceeds would help reduce my cost-per-post overhead.

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