still not sure why everyone is so bent up on it being a requisite to play 200k hands or something. As I understand it the point ceiling is capped per month, and your example of like 8 hrs a day at 6bb would be the same as someone winning 12bb at 4 hrs/day (obv not happening but just for the sake of the example) so for 400nl rush lets say:

ex1: player a plays 800 hand session beats 2 ppl for 100bb seperately = 20 pts x 8 = 160 pts?

ex2: player a plays 2 weeks 40k hands and wins 100bb from 2 ppl = the exact same?

or is there something im missing?

in this example it would be obvious the same but the more hands you play the more likely it is that you will be up at least 100bb vs. one player. You won`t get any "punishment" if you lose versus other player so a player who beat 100 opponents for 100bb and not lose a single big blind to anyone else cant compete with a robotgrinder who beats 5000 player for 100bb and lose to 5000 player the same amount (aka break even)

as long as there is no downside (negative points) this sort of leaderboard rewards player who play millions of hands way more than a good winrate (but a good winrate makes it more likely that you can stack more people for 100+bb...so a 6bb WR player should beat a 4bb WR player with equal hand amount in the long run)

yeah i guess, although in your example id imagine a robot grinder with a small wr would be breaking even v alot of ppl and its not like the 400rush player pool is that big. i guess ive just been confused looking at the leaderboards. for the high rush it would seem that there are 10-15ppl who are up 25-30 buyins in the first 4 days of the month. 4-5 of the top 5 would be pushing 60-70+... thought for sure i was missing some other form of multiplier as i didnt think it would be possible for that to happen i.e where are the losers

there is also a stake multiplier, the higher the limit the more points u will get


ps: dont get me wrong, this leaderboard is better than a normal rake race but without the possiblity to lose points (give negative points) the biggest grinder will win

hu hypers doesnt count?

I dont get any points

Agree 100%. They got me all excited about this, thinking I'd just have to grind a bit to get the Black Card and I'd finally be able to convert my FTPs into $$$.

Seriously FTP, why are you trying to piss us off? If you had simply communicated right from the start that only newly earned points could be converted I wouldn't be disappointed in you right now, yet I am.

Terrible PR move once again.

I'm reading the email announcement of this I got 2 months ago again: "Once you've attained Black Card status, you can convert your current and future points directly to cash at a rate of 1$ for every 200 Full Tilt Points."

Then it lists my FTP point balance and tells me the $ value.

"Your cash will be available to you immediately and does not require clearing via a bonus mechanism or play-through requirements."

How is this not completely misleading?

So here's the plan I just made up inspired by sparky solid tips. I think its solid


1. open FTP lobby, play teh pokerz
2. win 6bb/100 ++
3. make 100k per month
4. after 6 months u got 600k+, you become themarf
5. win pro status
6. hu with durrrr
7. prints mirrions

easy money

Heres the collection of emails I set and was sent in regards to the not converting points thing:-










What is the next step? I will offer $100 to 1 person who helps me get FT to transfer my old points to cash.

This is the way I see it:-

1. Its blatent false advertising and nowhere on the emails can I see anything about it being old points that can be transfered.

2. When pushed I got the response that only points accumulated while a Black Card member are eligable. Most of my points were earned while I were a Black Card member.

3. They have rolled this out as Black Card and not an new promotion under a different name.

4. They assure me that points earned after genuinley earning Black Card for a rolling average of 500FTP`s over a 100 day period will be instantly available to convert but again see point 2.


Im guessing the response took so long because they had to try and find a way out of it because they have tripped themselves up and are hoping that I just forget about it. There are clear contradictions in their emails and in the advertisements and I think they should hold their hand up and admit their mistake. What they are trying to do is no way to run a business and rather than making people think about coming back to their site it is probably actively turning people off it.

I also wonder if complaining to the regulatory body will have any affect because they seem very reluctant to rectify their mistake.

Agree, I'm likely contacting the regulatory body if this is not resolved, they lied and are backtracking.

Mart,

I think Shyam said you won't be able to convert old points instantly into cash itt. It does suck that you can't, but it's most likely preventing a run on the bank for people who have a bundle of points from pre BF that just want the cash now that live in the US.... Like me.

It sucks but I really doubt they would change. If they did I would snap move abroad and get the money I'm owed from points, like many others I'm sure.

Does it count the winnings pre rake or post rake?

What I'm trying to ask is basically if you get all in vs a 100bb stack and get less than 100bb due to rake taken do you not get the points and have to steal a few blinds from him or do you get points anyway b/c he lost 100bb while playing vs you?

Agree I can see exactly why they have done it but their advertising is very slimey to say the least. Its the same for the goods in the store, they will just hold off and hold off because exactly the same will happen with people instantly ordering goods that they can sell on.

From a business point of view they probably havnt any choice but at the end of the day myself and many others put in tons of volume on FT to earn those points which other than transfering play back to FT are almost useless.

I know realistically I probably wont see the money from those points so Im half tempted to just buy ring game tickets and just shove every hand with the thinking that if I cant have the money then at least somebody should have it.

FTP support is such a huge joke. I agree with all your points here.. I earned all my points as a black card member pre-bf and now not being able to cash out the points is complete bull****.

If not at least put some monitors or TVs in the store I can buy with my points

The thing is pre BF FTP did not have the option of "converting points to cash" for BC members. This feature is under the new FTP. So although it sucks it's reasonable for FTP to only let people who attained BC under FTP2 to be able to convert the points to cash.

FTP gifting old BC members BC status now is nice but quite useless since majority of us don't play on the site anymore because of the lack of players. They keep talking about having products in their store but we're halfway through the year already and there is still nothing to be found. Quite disappointing but there's not much we can do.

hey is ftp freezing a lot lately? like once every minute or so

Yeah, a much better way to run a business would be to give out millions of $$ to people who have very little intention to give you any business in return?

I dont think they are offering a bad deal at all and think its perfectly reasonable for the 'new' FTP to require some play before granting that kind of bonus out. I mean if you played to get BC and then insta cashed your points out Im sure you're looking at 80% RB, possibly over 100% depending on how many points you have? They are still definitely taking a hit on it in profit terms.

Ok, maybe you missed it but Shyam indicated that you do not lose points if you get stacked. In an average set of 1k hands you might be AI for 100BB say 4 times? If you win 2 and lose 2 then you are breakeven, but since you only get +ve points and no -ve ones then your leaderboard score would show you as being +2BI when you arent. Obviously you can extrapolate this for +60BI or w/e.

Its a little more complicated in actuality since you're also winning and losing small pots too and all that matters is the vs player results. Even losing players can get positive scores (since they might stack a reg and then lose it to another reg before quitting) and the best way to maximise your score is to play the most hands and have the best WR.

Would've been nice to get a reply to this.

FTP made their money while we were grinding to earn those points, it's really not our problem that they ran it like ****. They made the rules and we played to them earning points that we knew we could use, be that buying bonuses or buying goods.

They come back online and Black Card no longer exists so anyone who had it pre BF basically starts from scratch and many people's circumstances changed, like myself who no longer has time to grind to get anywhere near Black Card, so people earned the points as a Black Card player and now have very little use for them.

I can understand if they said well you couldn't transfer points before BF which is fair enough but before BF we could buy goods which is no longer available to us which is obviously so people have no way of hitting and running.

In business if you make a mistake it has to be rectified and I'm sure if I ran my business in the way FTP seem to be running theirs my business wouldn't last right long.

or at all

yeah thanks. Its done on a day to day basis too I take it? so your scores vs any given reg reset and are added back on to your monthly running total each day, is that correct?

I thought FTP were quite clear BEFORE that you couldn't cash in old points until you gained BC status properly

And I like that they have gifted me BC status

So I'm happy... sorry if others were 'mislead' - I don't feel like I was

I would like to see the following filters in the replayer:
1) It was at least one raise preflop
2) Hand went to showdown
3) The option to mark hands for after session review
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I think I understand the promotion, but can I get a confirmation specifically again?

I'm an American former FT regular relocating in August. I have 700,000 points. I get reinstated on Full Tilt and get my rolling average to 500 (probably take me 30 days)... then boom, I convert the 700,000 points to $3500?